NFL 2008 Season Week 15 Picks

	jay6666 12/09/2008 @ 05:29:33 PM
Lets see Carolina run the ball vs Denver like they did Tampa Bay. Special Upset. Denver over Carolina 34-31		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	PackOne - 1528 Posts 12/09/2008 @ 07:43:32 PM
Damn nutcan elitists.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Alex - You've got to trust your instinct, and let go of regret 12/09/2008 @ 10:37:11 PM
jay6666 Wrote - Today @ 05:29:33 PM Lets see Carolina run the ball vs Denver like they did Tampa Bay. Special Upset. Denver over Carolina 34-31 Even after last week TB is still 28 ypg better at stopping the run than Denver. More like special blowout 40-19.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	Jeremy - 9563 Posts 12/10/2008 @ 03:06:05 PM
Want to know something strange? I don't want to start counting chickens before they hatch, but there are a number of scenarios that have the Vikings actually getting a bye in the first round of the playoffs, and they aren't terribly far-fetched, and don't even necessarily have the Vikings winning out. I'm not making any sort of statement/prediction here. I just find it funny that, although 3 weeks is a decent chunk of a 16 game season, there are a number of teams that could wind up anywhere from the #1 and #2 seeds to 5th in line to make the playoffs.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Alex - But let history remember, that as free men, we chose to make it so! 12/10/2008 @ 05:25:31 PM
You know what else is strange? When I got this email at work today, "Thanks for your patients". For waiting for the DBAs to setup some database logins.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Matt - Ombudsman 12/11/2008 @ 06:00:45 AM
I agree with Sarah, Heroes still kind of sucks this year.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	Alex - 3619 Posts 12/11/2008 @ 09:29:09 PM
What! Heroes was epic this week.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 2 times.

	Carlos44ec - 2079 Posts 12/12/2008 @ 07:36:08 AM
I wish people would stop using the word "epic". Other words I dislike are; chill, chillax, brah, bro, and the phrase, "I know, right?"		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	Sarah - So's your face 12/12/2008 @ 07:52:18 AM
Alex Wrote - Yesterday @ 09:29:09 PM What! Heroes was epic this week. I disagree. Even though Peter had been told to shoot his father in the back of the head, Peter watches Sylar shoot him in the forehead and then does nothing to finish the job. And why does Sylar kill Elle (is that her name? I don't even know.)? He already has her power through other means and doesn't need to kill her. Nothing makes sense, everyone does the opposite of what they would've done in season 1.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	Scott - Get Up! Get outta here! Gone! 12/12/2008 @ 09:11:27 AM
Football people, football.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 2 times.

	Jeremy - Pie Racist 12/12/2008 @ 09:20:38 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3763465 The thing is, more likely than not it seems that the suspensions are inevitable, which just means that the suspensions will be pushed back to next year, when the Vikings might be even better.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Alex - Ignorance is bliss to those uneducated 12/12/2008 @ 01:43:24 PM
Jeremy Wrote - Today @ 09:20:38 AM http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3763465 The thing is, more likely than not it seems that the suspensions are inevitable, which just means that the suspensions will be pushed back to next year, when the Vikings might be even better. But if they knew months ahead of time that they will be suspended for the first 4 games of next year, the team can plan for that which is a huge advantage compared to if the suspensions happened now.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Alex - I don't need to get steady I know just how I feel 12/12/2008 @ 02:19:41 PM
Sarah Wrote - Today @ 07:52:18 AM Alex Wrote - Yesterday @ 09:29:09 PM What! Heroes was epic this week. I disagree. Even though Peter had been told to shoot his father in the back of the head, Peter watches Sylar shoot him in the forehead and then does nothing to finish the job. And why does Sylar kill Elle (is that her name? I don't even know.)? He already has her power through other means and doesn't need to kill her. Nothing makes sense, everyone does the opposite of what they would've done in season 1. People screw up all the time, and I'm sure Peter was shocked by Sylar showing up. And I forget exactly how it ended but did they ever show Peter leaving the room yet? Maybe next episode starts with him trying to finish it. In the past, Sylar killed for knowledge not power. Sylar felt relief when his powers were gone and thought that maybe he and Elle could have a normal life. Then they get their powers back, Noah plants doubt in his mind by saying that he isn't really a Petrelli and reminding him/Elle that Sylar killed Elle's father, and telling him that everyone is just jerking him around trying to get him to be their puppet, which reminds him of how Elle was instrumental in turning him into a monster in the first place and he decides to embrace that part of him and do whatever he pleases instead of always taking commands from others, starting with killing Elle and then moving on to Arthur. I think one of the major themes of the show is that life is not always black and white, good guys vs bad guys, and numerous characters have switched from "good" to "bad" and back, so it follows that they are not necessarily acting the way the you thought that would after only season 1. I watch and enjoy Chuck as well, but that show is utterly more predictable and shallow (maybe shallow is too harsh, how about feel-goodish) than Heroes.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 3 times.

	Scott - On your mark...get set...Terrible! 12/12/2008 @ 04:12:52 PM
Scott Wrote - Today @ 10:11:27 AM Football people, football.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	Carlos44ec - 2079 Posts 12/12/2008 @ 06:30:47 PM
Scott Wrote - Today @ 04:12:52 PM Scott Wrote - Today @ 09:11:27 AM Football people, football.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Alex - You've got to trust your instinct, and let go of regret 12/13/2008 @ 02:39:17 PM
Ok, I watched some of the episode again, the bullet pretty clearly blows out the back of Arthur's head and they show him laying in a substantial pool of blood, plus Peter hasn't been shown leaving him yet. I think some of the scenes with Hiro in this one were more iffy. It was annoying that he was within arm's length of Claire and didn't just teleport as soon as he heard Arthur's voice on the rooftop. And it was totally impossible for him to end up hanging on to that pole. Go Arizona!		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 3 times.

	Scott - If you aren't enough without it, you'll never be enough with it. 12/13/2008 @ 03:17:25 PM
Just for the record, I'm going to 0 nut (grinch) any comment about Heros on this football thread. We have rules people!		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 2 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 12/14/2008 @ 08:57:00 AM
Packers are without a leader. This is a pretty good explanation about what exactly is missing from the Packers this season. The fact that the Packers have been so close to winning most of the games they ended up losing is a pretty glaring indicator that there is something missing beyond Xs and Os. If Rodgers is doing his job physically on the field, he has yet to obtain that X Factor where teammates start playing for him, not wanting to let him down.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4691 Posts 12/14/2008 @ 12:07:09 PM
Favre is the slowest running QB in the world. I love it!		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4691 Posts 12/14/2008 @ 03:03:21 PM
And I changed my pick to the Packers because??? What a bunch of losers.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 12/14/2008 @ 05:22:09 PM
I would like to state that this loss, like most of the other losses, is primarily the fault of the coaching. I feel like McCarthy refuses to take off the special gloves when it comes to letting Rodgers go, and then when the NEED it at the end Rodgers doesn't come through. Too many times the Packers seemed to have some offensive momentum only to run Ryan Grant into the line two straight times and end up with a third and long. The most glaring in my opinion was in the 2nd qtr when the Packers had a first and goal on the 10 yard line. Run up the middle for 2 yards....run up the middle for 3 yards....Now Aaron, we need to you come through on this play, because we are only giving you one chance. Rodgers has played well this season, and it actually seems like the cautious play calling could have the effects of Rodgers not feeling like he is an adequate QB. I think that from a confidence standpoint, Rodgers seems pretty stable. If he makes some mistakes, he doesn't seem like the type of guy who is going to struggle because of it; he seems like a guy who can roll with the punches and make some good plays. However, the adverse of that is never letting the guy air it out until the final two minutes, then put everything on his shoulders, he doesn't come through, the fans get on his back, the press gets on his back, now you have a QB that is dying to be given a longer leash but is reigned in until it's too late.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	jthompto - 209 Posts 12/14/2008 @ 06:50:41 PM
How about T-Jack today? 11-17 for 4 TDs.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Alex - 3619 Posts 12/14/2008 @ 08:10:55 PM
That's what I've been saying about the play calling since like week 5. They're playing not to lose instead of to win, and it's causing them to lose. They would've never been in so many make or stop a game ending drive situations if they would've put away teams earlier on in the game.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - Cube Phenomenoligist 12/15/2008 @ 10:55:21 AM
Jeremy Wrote - 11/30/2008 @ 03:24:13 PM Not that I'm a coach, but I don't understand the Woodson move to safety. The man has been lights out at corner this year. The Vikings gameplan vs the Packers was just to concede that Bernard Berrian was a lost cause for a week. I stand by my perplexity. The Packers have given up 276.3 yards per game passing since moving Woodson. They gave up 187.2 with Woodson covering the opponent's go-to-guy. More importantly than the yards even is that teams seem to move the ball at will when it means the most. (In other words, when they know the other team has to pass is when they seem to be the worst at defending it.) Though, I think this game really came down to that offensive miscue on like the 4 yard line where the Packers failed to line up properly, despite having a timeout to sort everything out.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9563 Posts 12/15/2008 @ 11:06:39 AM
jthompto Wrote - Yesterday @ 06:50:41 PM How about T-Jack today? 11-17 for 4 TDs. Yeah, it was pretty sweet. He wasn't asked to do much, but when he had to make a throw it was perfect. It's hard to judge off one game where we had a big lead from the get go, but people completely wrote him off after only 2 games, so perhaps it's time to declare QB controversy in Minny. If we win next week, and Carolina locks up the 1 seed against the Giants, then the Vikes-Giants final game is for a bye in the playoffs. (And if Carolina loses the Giants have nothing to play for, so the Vikings would have to beat a partially resting team and hope Carolina loses at New Orleans). Neither of those scenarios is terribly far fetched and if T-Jack gets us there I don't see how you can go back to Gus. I appreciate what Gus has done, but if Tjack finishes the season he will have started 5 of our toughest games, which you'd also have to factor in. Fun fact: there's a decent chance that the Vikings potentially play Falcons, Giants, Falcons, Giants in a 4 week span.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
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	jthompto 12/15/2008 @ 12:04:00 PM
Looking back on it, it was probably the right move to bench Jackson after the 0-2 start because it looks like he has learned a little bit from his time on the bench. But it is amazing how well he can do when his receivers actually catch passes and the running game is working. I think we will see Childress play the "Gus is not 100%" card for at least the next game. The Vikings are in the same scenario as last season, win at home in week 16 and your in. They couldn't do it last year, lets hope this team, which is much better can. Don't want to have to depend on the Packers beating the Bears next monday night.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
jthompto messed with this at 12/15/2008 12:05:57 pm

	Alex - 3619 Posts 12/15/2008 @ 01:09:45 PM
Jeremy Wrote - Today @ 10:55:21 AM Though, I think this game really came down to that offensive miscue on like the 4 yard line where the Packers failed to line up properly, despite having a timeout to sort everything out. Not calling a timeout there was crazy stupid.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - I believe virtually everything I read. 12/15/2008 @ 01:20:01 PM
jthompto Wrote - Today @ 12:04:00 PM Yeah, it's definitely not a done deal. Chicago finishes against the Packers and Houston, which are two winnable games and we have a couple tuffys. The good thing is we're no longer in a "division or nothing" situation, at least as far as I can tell. Though, to not win the division would mean we lost both our games, which most likely would mean we would be out of the wildcard too, but you never know. Alex Wrote - Today @ 01:09:45 PM Jeremy Wrote - Today @ 10:55:21 AM Though, I think this game really came down to that offensive miscue on like the 4 yard line where the Packers failed to line up properly, despite having a timeout to sort everything out. Not calling a timeout there was crazy stupid. Yeah, I actually thought the only reason they didn't is because they had just called a timeout. But looking at the play by play on espn.com it looks like it was actually JAX that called the timeout, which, as you said, makes the fact that the Packers didn't call timeout baffling.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
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	Jeremy - As Seen On The Internet 12/15/2008 @ 01:31:52 PM
Actually, it looks like it would be pretty hard/impossible for the Vikings to get in with a wild card. Losing to Atlanta would help them out. Tampa has games against SD and Oak. Philly and Dallas play each other. http://www.playoffstatus.com/nfl/nfcstandings.html		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
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	Carlos44ec - 2079 Posts 12/15/2008 @ 01:46:22 PM
Jeremy Wrote - Today @ 01:20:01 PM You know, I really do respect the Packers, and think Brett Favre was easily one of the best 5 quarterbacks of All Time. Yes, ALL TIME. You can quote me here; I am a huge Green Bay Packers fan, and have a fairly healthy man-crush on Aaron Rodgers. If I hadn't read it with my own eyes I wouldn't believe you said that		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
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	Jeremy - 9563 Posts 12/15/2008 @ 01:56:20 PM
So did you see I replaced Joe's words for brevity purposes and it finally clicked "hey, we can make the quote say whatever we want!"?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - Always thinking of, but never about, the children. 12/15/2008 @ 02:04:37 PM
Scott Wrote - 12/13/2008 @ 03:17:25 PM Just for the record, I'm going to 0 nut (grinch) any comment about Heros on this football thread. We have rules people! Just for the record, I find the fact that Scott designated himself the "off topic" police officer comical. It reminds me of the time Geoff Jenkins had to step in and be designated hitter in an Inter-League game and whacked himself in the junk with his bat.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	Carlos44ec - Since 1980! 12/15/2008 @ 04:04:27 PM
Jeremy Wrote - Today @ 01:56:20 PM So did you see I replaced Joe's words for brevity purposes and it finally clicked "hey, we can make the quote say whatever we want!"? No, just thought it would be fun. I've done it before, but to no effect.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Carlos44ec - Tag This 12/15/2008 @ 04:05:20 PM
Scott Wrote - 12/13/2008 @ 03:17:25 PM Just for the record, I'm going to 0 nut (grinch) any comment about Heros on this football thread. We have rules people! On order to enforce these "rules" they should be posted somewhere. I don't disagree with you, just... you know... we have a right to know what they are.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
Carlos44ec screwed with this at 12/15/2008 4:05:53 pm

	Jeremy - 9563 Posts 12/15/2008 @ 04:22:19 PM
There really aren't any rules, but it could be debated whether or not anyone has a "right" to know them, were there some rules.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
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	Carlos44ec - 2079 Posts 12/15/2008 @ 06:07:37 PM
if we debate this subject here Scott will grinch us.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 2 times.

	PackOne - Make my own decisions. That's my perogative. 12/15/2008 @ 06:36:16 PM
I'm going to the Lions game. I'll post pictures...most likely of us losing. That is my luck. That was a good post by Scott.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4691 Posts 12/15/2008 @ 07:33:33 PM
PackOne Wrote - Today @ 06:36:16 PM I'm going to the Lions game. I'll post pictures...most likely of us losing. That is my luck. That was a good post by Scott. I don't think them losing will have anything to do with you....		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 12/16/2008 @ 06:43:55 AM
Carlos44ec Wrote - Yesterday @ 07:07:37 PM if we debate this subject here Scott will grinch us. That's right, fear my power!		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	RUFiO1984 - 219 Posts 12/17/2008 @ 01:45:37 AM
Did any of you watch the Ravens/Steelers game last week? Do you think the Refs blew the game?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - So's your face 12/17/2008 @ 07:56:07 AM
I thought they did because they didn't give a good explanation at the time of the play (but explained later that the ball did go into the endzone). It's hard to say if the ball did cross the goal line and since the call was that it was short, I think it should've stayed that way.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Carlos44ec - You had me at "Hello" 12/17/2008 @ 08:08:50 AM
I saw a freeze-frame that looked pretty much like a touchdown, I was convinced.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9563 Posts 12/17/2008 @ 09:47:25 AM
Well, the rule is supposed to be that the call on the field stands unless the replay shows something undeniable, so given that I don't see how you make a call. I think this rule is stupid. The call should be thrown out and the replay should be looked at and just ruled whatever is most likely. I believe that is what happened here, as do many NFL commentators. So I guess it depends how you look at it. The ref's goal should be to get the call right, period, however the "rule" is that the replays have to be 110% conclusive to overturn a call, which this obviously wasn't.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9563 Posts 12/17/2008 @ 12:49:02 PM
Speaking of monday night shows that DO have relevency to the NFL: This week's "How I Met Your Mother" was epic. Damn!		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	RUFiO1984 - Two raw eggs in the morning 12/18/2008 @ 03:27:24 AM
Jeremy Wrote - Yesterday @ 01:49:02 PM Speaking of monday night shows that DO have relevency to the NFL: This week's "How I Met Your Mother" was epic. Damn! That show is Hilarious. Monday night line up: Big Bang Theory How I met your mother Heroes Rest of whatever NFL game is on.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	jthompto - 209 Posts 12/18/2008 @ 07:35:14 AM
Jeremy Wrote - 12/31/1969 @ 06:00:00 PM Speaking of monday night shows that DO have relevency to the NFL: This week's "How I Met Your Mother" was epic. Damn! I also saw that. Gary Andererson, Damn!		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - Cube Phenomenoligist 12/18/2008 @ 11:14:50 AM
I think the kick is overblown, at least in terms of things that went wrong. That kick was to put us up 10, putting the game out of reach barring a miracle, it wasn't missed with the Vikes down 1 with 5 seconds left, like I think some people picture it. (Also, it just barely missed.) Robert Griffith dropped an easy interception in the endzone. Robert Smith kept running out of bounds when we were trying to burn the clock. The fumble right before half gave them a cheap 7 and got them mentally back into it. Even after Gary missed we still had to give up a TD, then we elected to kneel on a minute or so of regulation time, and blow what felt like 432 chances in OT. But still, "damn" indeed. Damn that Rashard Tarkington.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
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	Scott - 6225 Posts 12/19/2008 @ 07:23:00 AM
What I distinctly remember about that game was before it started, I said that if the Falcons can score on their opening posession they would win. I did not at all think they were going to, nor did I think the Falcons defense was any match for the Vikings offense, but they did, and they were, and the Falcons won. So I made what I thought was a pretty bold prediction and it came true.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Alex - 3619 Posts 12/19/2008 @ 01:15:45 PM
Doesn't the team that scores first win like 70% of NFL games? Found one source, though maybe not most reliable but I'm pretty sure I've seen this elsewhere as well. http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-093005oates,1,500987.story I distinctly remember how hilarious it was when Anderson missed his first kick of the year.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.