NFL 2008 Season Week 12 Picks

	jay6666 - 29 Posts 11/20/2008 @ 08:38:45 AM
Upset this week Cheifs Over Bills 27 - 20		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	Carlos44ec - 2079 Posts 11/20/2008 @ 11:52:40 AM
The Chefs? Great Googly Moogly.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 2 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 11/20/2008 @ 06:53:00 PM
With the Packers playing against the Saints and their high powered passing game, I am reminded of the movie "Miracle". Herb Brooks asks his team (rhetorically), how do you defend against the Russians. "You don't defend, you attack." It seems that all too often, going back several years, the Packers have come into a game like this where they are facing a team with some significant offensive threats and they change their entire game plan to sort of "cover" the teams strengths. (The most glaring time I can think of was way back in 2002 of 2003 when the Packers lost to the Rams in the playoffs. In that game, the Packers attempted to beat the Rams by going with 6 or 7 DBs almost the entire game, something that they hadn't attempted all year, and they got eaten alive (add Favre's 6 INTs and it was just not a pleasant game for Packer fans)). The Packers cannot just defend against the Saints, they need to attack the Saints' offense. The Packers have 6 touchdowns off of interceptions this season and 16 total interceptions for the season. While I can't say I would bet money on the Packers winning this game, I feel like this game as just as much a test for the Saints offense as it is for the Packers defense.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jfk10intex - 229 Posts 11/20/2008 @ 07:45:07 PM
upset special: Gaints lose to the cardinals....... 30-21		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Carlos44ec - 2079 Posts 11/21/2008 @ 07:43:02 AM
"Matt Hey look, it's the Steelers again. The Bengals suck and O-Cin is riding the pine for this one (not that he has done much this year anyway). Even if I could get this game on TV, I probably wouldn't watch it. Pittsburgh 28 - Cincinnati 10." Wow, Good call Matt!		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
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	Scott - 6225 Posts 11/21/2008 @ 02:54:46 PM
ESPN Expert Picks. And I thought I was being homerish picking the Packers this week.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	PackOne - 1528 Posts 11/21/2008 @ 04:58:54 PM
Why wouldn't you pick the Pack? The Saints aren't all that great. This game is way over-hyped as possibly being competetive. Packers walk easily in this one 27-13.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	Jeremy - As Seen On The Internet 11/21/2008 @ 05:14:14 PM
Yes, the Packers have really been playing some amazing football this year. The Saints can't possibly compete with the Packers. Sure, they have the same record, and the NFC South is one of the best, if not the best, division in football, and this is a league where were the winless Lions to beat the undefeated Titans on Thanksgiving everyone would shrug and say "What a crazy year," but I agree, it's out of the realm of possibility that the 5-5 Saints even compete with the 5-5 Packers.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 2 times.

	Scott - You're going to have to call your hardware guy. It's not a software issue. 11/21/2008 @ 06:21:16 PM
PackOne Wrote - Today @ 05:58:54 PM Why wouldn't you pick the Pack? The Saints aren't all that great. This game is way over-hyped as possibly being competetive. Packers walk easily in this one 27-13. Just for the record, this was not my view towards this game. I was shocked to see that so many ESPN guys picked the Packers to win on the road.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 2 times.

	Alex - Ignorance is bliss to those uneducated 11/21/2008 @ 06:45:21 PM
If you read Bill Simmons latest column, he'll tell you how overrated home field advantage is nowadays. I was surprised to see that that many of the "experts" picked the Packers, but with the Saints injuries at RB and the Packers pass defense and seemingly surging 2nd half of the season running game, I'll definitely be disappointed if the Packers don't win.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 2 times.

	Sarah - How do you use these things? 11/21/2008 @ 07:07:16 PM
He said it was overrated for teams that had new stadiums within the last 10 years because they were made to be fancy and not really conducive for cheering.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 2 times.

	PackOne - You analyze me. Tend to despise me. You laugh when I stumble and fall. 11/21/2008 @ 07:25:47 PM
Jeremy Wrote - Today @ 05:14:14 PM Yes, the Packers have really been playing some amazing football this year. The Saints can't possibly compete with the Packers. Sure, they have the same record, and the NFC South is one of the best, if not the best, division in football, and this is a league where were the winless Lions to beat the undefeated Titans on Thanksgiving everyone would shrug and say "What a crazy year," but I agree, it's out of the realm of possibility that the 5-5 Saints even compete with the 5-5 Packers. Typical Vikings fan comment, enhanced by a Jets fan. Five legs to the guy with the Packer logo, now that makes sense.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 3 times.

	Sarah - 4691 Posts 11/21/2008 @ 07:43:26 PM
What did I say?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	PackOne - The Harvard comma's #1 fan. 11/21/2008 @ 08:09:45 PM
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	Sarah - How do you use these things? 11/21/2008 @ 08:21:04 PM
I don't think I said that.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 11/21/2008 @ 09:12:38 PM
PackOne Wrote - Today @ 08:25:47 PM Jeremy Wrote - Today @ 06:14:14 PM Yes, the Packers have really been playing some amazing football this year. The Saints can't possibly compete with the Packers. Sure, they have the same record, and the NFC South is one of the best, if not the best, division in football, and this is a league where were the winless Lions to beat the undefeated Titans on Thanksgiving everyone would shrug and say "What a crazy year," but I agree, it's out of the realm of possibility that the 5-5 Saints even compete with the 5-5 Packers. Typical Vikings fan comment, enhanced by a Jets fan. Five legs to the guy with the Packer logo, now that makes sense. This comment was apparently 0 rated 2600 times. Is NutCan being spammed?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jon - 1000000 posts (and counting!) 11/22/2008 @ 12:05:27 PM
Scott Wrote - Yesterday @ 02:54:46 PM ESPN Expert Picks. And I thought I was being homerish picking the Packers this week. Just for the record, I was actually surprised that people didn't overwhelmingly pick the packers on here. And not just because we have a lot of packer fans. I actually think it's the better pick. I don't think the saints are that great. Then again, my picks have been pretty bad all year. I guess I didn't realize the Packers have the same record, probably because all season everyone on espn has been treating the packers like they have a couple more wins than they actually do. Then again, I still give the advantage to the Packers. On the other hand (and I don't mean this to be too jerky), I find it a bit funny that PackOne continually makes confident statements about the Packers like this: PackOne Wrote - Yesterday @ 04:58:54 PM Why wouldn't you pick the Pack? The Saints aren't all that great. This game is way over-hyped as possibly being competetive. Packers walk easily in this one 27-13. while sporting a just-over-.500 record in the picks department. Not that that means everything, but, it's a thought.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
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	PackOne - The girls all know he's "way cool" Jr. 11/23/2008 @ 09:25:48 AM
Actually judging my picks is hardly an indicator of anything. I always pick the Pack no matter what, and I have been picking upsets in an effort to hopefully catch up this season after a poor start. Thanks for the 2606 zero legs. We will see who is laughing tomorrow night. Go Jags!		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	Sarah - So's your face 11/23/2008 @ 09:28:53 AM
If I may interpret, he just was saying that the Packers may not be the far superior team in the match-up if you look at everything. It's not like they're the 2007 Patriots going against the 2008 Lions.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
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	PackOne - There's music to play. Places to go. People to see. 11/23/2008 @ 09:33:32 AM
Actually, I am saying they are the far superior team. They are facing one of the most porous defenses in the entire NFL ranking in the bottom eighth in every category. The Saints activated Mike Bell yesterday, inferring that they are preparing for a Bushless or semi-Bushless game. Shockey is not 100% and was perhaps there best mis-match of the contest. Add to the fire one of the top pass stopping units in the league and this game should be less than competetive. Also, if the Pack goes up a couple of scores early, expect the Saints to lose their fire. This is a must win for them or their season is essentially over. Go down early and the wind will quickly go out of their sails.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.
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	Sarah - How do you use these things? 11/23/2008 @ 09:50:56 AM
Yea I see that. Just because you write it doesn't mean it's true. I think the Pack will win, but that doesn't make them the way awesome-er team. Look at the records at the very least.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	PackOne - 1528 Posts 11/23/2008 @ 09:55:06 AM
I look at more the strength of schedule and the injury report. I also look at combined points in losses which is 57 for the Saints and 22 for the Pack. This is why I have to stay away from the can during football. I don't want to get blackballed from what we all can agree is a superior team in all facets - Nutcan.com softball.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
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	Alex - 3619 Posts 11/23/2008 @ 01:14:02 PM
PackOne Wrote - Today @ 09:25:48 AM ...and I have been picking upsets in an effort to hopefully catch up this season after a poor start. Maybe you should try picking the teams that are going to win. There's no bonus points for picking upsets.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	Scott - Resident Tech Support 11/23/2008 @ 03:42:35 PM
I like how the Packers are the only team to ever play a team who has injured players.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	jthompto 11/23/2008 @ 04:47:51 PM
Any of the other Vikings fans on this board sick of Gus Frerotte? He is really taking the fun out of watching Vikings games this year. I know they won big today, but I think I have seen enough of Gus. Not that T-Jack would be doing any better but I feel that on a lot of plays in the past two games Jackson might have been able to make plays with his feet that Gus clearly cannot.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	Carlos44ec - 2079 Posts 11/23/2008 @ 07:57:36 PM
What the hell happened to the Broncos?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Alex - I was too weak to give in Too strong to lose 11/23/2008 @ 09:46:07 PM
Carlos44ec Wrote - Today @ 07:57:36 PM What the hell happened to the Broncos? No matter how much the Raiders stink they always play the Broncos tough. Rivalry game.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - As Seen On The Internet 11/23/2008 @ 10:46:20 PM
jthompto Wrote - Today @ 04:47:51 PM Any of the other Vikings fans on this board sick of Gus Frerotte? He is really taking the fun out of watching Vikings games this year. I know they won big today, but I think I have seen enough of Gus. Not that T-Jack would be doing any better but I feel that on a lot of plays in the past two games Jackson might have been able to make plays with his feet that Gus clearly cannot. Yeah, I've been in that boat for a few weeks now. I was ok with the move at first because Gus' veteran savvy was going to protect the ball and not make dumb mistakes and even though they are pretty even that small edge would be just enough to push us over the hump. However, Gus has thrown INT's the last couple weeks that rookies would be criticized for. He also took a sack today that knocked the team back from the 2 yard line to the 10, despite ample time to ditch the ball. I don't expect a perfect game out of Gus, but he's really not doing all that much less mistake-wise than T-Jack was doing. More and more I'm starting to feel like we should just put T-Jack back out there. Sure Gus might be marginally better, but this is also "Peak Gus." T-Jack has tons of upside and would make teams have to worry about his running. Especially this week, when Gus was injured every other play. T-Jack certainly has to be an improvement on Gus at 75%. Gus or T-Jack, the play calling is the problem. If I see that god damn naked bootleg with one receiver dragging with the QB as the lone option, with 9 of the 11 sniffing out the play and covering said one player, one more time, we're going to need a new TV. T-Jack wasn't throwing 4 interceptions a game, the "kick ass offense" was just sputtering, and he got thrown under the bus.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
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	Scott - 6225 Posts 11/24/2008 @ 08:24:54 AM
Man, I took a dive in the overall standings this week. I lost my lead and everything. If the Packers win I'll be back in a tie for first.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Carlos44ec - What the F@#$ am I being arrested fo? 11/24/2008 @ 09:35:53 AM
Alex Wrote - Yesterday @ 09:46:07 PM Carlos44ec Wrote - Yesterday @ 07:57:36 PM What the hell happened to the Broncos? No matter how much the Raiders stink they always play the Broncos tough. Rivalry game. I played Eddie "coulda played Vince Jackson" Royal and Jay "Shoulda played Gerard" Cutler for 1 and 7 points respectively (on different FF teams).		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4691 Posts 11/24/2008 @ 08:37:05 PM
So how do those words taste? I would imagine something like a saltine.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Carlos44ec - 2079 Posts 11/25/2008 @ 07:38:20 AM
Well, that game sucked.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9563 Posts 11/25/2008 @ 08:58:31 AM
PackOne Wrote - 11/21/2008 @ 04:58:54 PM This game is way over-hyped as possibly being competetive. Well, I guess you were right on one count.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 2 times.
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	Scott - 6225 Posts 11/25/2008 @ 09:59:27 AM
Jon Wrote - 11/22/2008 @ 01:05:27 PM Just for the record, I was actually surprised that people didn't overwhelmingly pick the packers on here. And not just because we have a lot of packer fans. I actually think it's the better pick. The real question is, "What was Jon thinking?"		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Carlos44ec - 2079 Posts 11/25/2008 @ 12:26:14 PM
Scott Wrote - Today @ 09:59:27 AM Jon Wrote - 11/22/2008 @ 12:05:27 PM Just for the record, I was actually surprised that people didn't overwhelmingly pick the packers on here. And not just because we have a lot of packer fans. I actually think it's the better pick. The real question is, "What was Jon thinking?" No, the real question is, "What the hell happened?" Now, I know what ACTUALLY happened, but why? And where was our D?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Alex - You've got to trust your instinct, and let go of regret 11/25/2008 @ 01:04:57 PM
Offensively for the Packers: Rodgers was not consistent. He made a few great passes, and he totally missed on a couple others. That's just not good enough in a shootout. I'm pretty sure there were a couple points where Driver and Jennings were thinking, "Last year that play was a TD". Also, I thought Grant tried to stretch the run to the outside a little too often, instead of making the cut back move that is basically his bread and butter. Defensively: Besides Kampman, the Packers have absolutely no pass rush. I've noticed this all season but somehow it hasn't been much of an issue. Last night it was a problem, in 2 ways. Firstly, it's just not good to give Brees too much time in the pocket. Secondly, like I've been saying for a long time, the Packers stink at blitzing, but their game plan included quite a bit of blitzing. First play, Woodson (great coverage guy, not much for blitzing) comes on the corner blitz and Bigby (who probably shouldn't have been in the game judging by his gimpiness) gets smoked for a 70 yd TD. That set the tone. When the Packers blitzed, they hardly got any pressure so it was 1 on 1 all over the field and the linebackers and safeties repeatedly lost those battles. Even on the one play where Woodson got burned by Colston, it looked like Rouse was supposed to be helping deep. In summary, Rodgers wasn't perfect, Brees was, and the Packers pass D was overrated because they lack a consistent pass rush, both from the D line and their blitz packages, and cause a couple of games teams didn't have to pass cause they could just run the ball at will. Also, Rodgers first interception was a game changer. If the Packers go down and score on that drive instead, the end result could've been much different.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9563 Posts 11/25/2008 @ 01:50:20 PM
Yeah. The Packers D is the Anti-Vikings D and both get a little too much credit for being so good at one aspect of defense when part of the story is that teams don't even try to run on the Vikings, or pass on the Packers, as much, because the opposite approach works so well. Which isn't to say the Packers aren't (normally) good at pass D and the Vikings aren't a dominating run defense, but there's a little bit of a "chicken or the egg" syndrome happening too.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
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	PackOne - She's just a woman. Never again. 11/25/2008 @ 03:29:24 PM
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