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| Raiders 9 @ Titans 13 Final Sun, 10/28/07 12:00pm
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| Steelers 24 @ Bengals 13 Final Sun, 10/28/07 12:00pm
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| Lions 16 @ Bears 7 Final Sun, 10/28/07 12:00pm
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| Colts 31 @ Panthers 7 Final Sun, 10/28/07 12:00pm
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| Eagles 23 @ Vikings 16 Final Sun, 10/28/07 12:00pm
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| Giants 13 @ Dolphins 10 Final Sun, 10/28/07 12:00pm
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| Bills 13 @ Jets 3 Final Sun, 10/28/07 3:05pm
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| Jaguars 24 @ Buccaneers 23 Final Sun, 10/28/07 3:05pm
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| Texans 10 @ Chargers 35 Final Sun, 10/28/07 3:05pm
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| Commanders 7 @ Patriots 52 Final Sun, 10/28/07 3:15pm
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| Saints 31 @ 49ers 10 Final Sun, 10/28/07 3:15pm
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| Packers 19 @ Broncos 13 F / OT Mon, 10/29/07 7:30pm
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| Week Record | 9 - 4 0.692  | 7 - 6 0.538 | 9 - 4 0.692 | 11 - 2 0.846  | ||||
| Season Record | 73 - 43 0.629 | 67 - 49 0.578 | 73 - 43 0.629 | 76 - 40 0.655 | ||||
| Scotttime Record | 238 - 145 0.621 | 219 - 164 0.572 | 223 - 160 0.582 | 228 - 155 0.595 | ||||
| No-Pack-Vike Record | 3376 - 1964 0.632 | 3291 - 2049 0.616 | 3398 - 1942 0.636 | 3292 - 2048 0.617 | ||||
| Lifetime Record | 915 - 535 0.631 | 830 - 620 0.572 | 893 - 557 0.616 | 887 - 563 0.612 |
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| Week: | 9 - 4 0.692 |
| Season: | 70 - 46 0.603 |
| Lifetime: | 239 - 144 0.624 |
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| Week: | 11 - 2 0.846 |
| Season: | 79 - 37 0.681 |
| Lifetime: | 229 - 153 0.600 |
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| Week: | 6 - 7 0.462 |
| Season: | 71 - 45 0.612 |
| Lifetime: | 228 - 152 0.600 |
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| Week: | 9 - 4 0.692 |
| Season: | 29 - 27 0.518 |
| Lifetime: | 93 - 71 0.567 |
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| Week: | 10 - 3 0.769 |
| Season: | 73 - 43 0.629 |
| Lifetime: | 73 - 43 0.629 |
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| Week: | 10 - 3 0.769 |
| Season: | 70 - 46 0.603 |
| Lifetime: | 70 - 46 0.603 |
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| Week: | 8 - 5 0.615 |
| Season: | 51 - 36 0.586 |
| Lifetime: | 51 - 36 0.586 |
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| Week: | 9 - 4 0.692 |
| Season: | 66 - 37 0.641 |
| Lifetime: | 66 - 37 0.641 |
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| Week: | 11 - 2 0.846 |
| Season: | 39 - 15 0.722 |
| Lifetime: | 39 - 15 0.722 |
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| Week: | 11 - 2 0.846 |
| Season: | 39 - 15 0.722 |
| Lifetime: | 39 - 15 0.722 |
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| Week: | 11 - 2 0.846 |
| Season: | 29 - 10 0.744 |
| Lifetime: | 29 - 10 0.744 |
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| Packers 19 @ Broncos 13 | |
 | MattAs do the Packers. |
 | JeremyThe Broncos, this year aside, have traditionally been a tough team at home. Their 2 home losses this year are San Diego and Jacksonville. This could be a tough one for the Packers. Brett Favre will be able to throw the ball even higher than normal in the less dense air. |
 | JonPackers on national tv! I could type out, right now, the exact transcript the announcers will read from come game time. And if you've ever watched the Packers on national tv, you could too. |
 | SarahApparently our game is going to start early if there is a game 5 (yawn) of the world series. GO PACK GO! |
  | Jeremy - 9543 Posts 10/24/2007 @ 10:56:15 AM |
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| Always good to see while we can't count on Viking QB's we can always count on some solid "who sucks" updates from Matt. |
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  | Scott - 6225 Posts 10/25/2007 @ 12:29:25 PM |
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| I hope the Colts and Patriots lose this week, so Favre can beat the Chiefs next week and be the first QB to ever do this. |
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 | Jeremy - 1.21 Gigawatts!?!? 10/25/2007 @ 12:38:44 PM |
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| But if the Colts and/or Patriots lose what would the media have to beat to death all week? |
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| Scott - Resident Tech Support 10/25/2007 @ 12:50:35 PM |
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| They can beat to death yet another potential Brett Favre record, duh. |
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| Jeremy - 9543 Posts 10/25/2007 @ 12:57:50 PM |
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Well, that goes without saying. They'll still beat that to death, regardless if he's the first or not. Then expect to see the stat of how many different quarterbacks have started during his streak. I think the number has to be expressed in thousands to save space on the graphic. Seriously, if next week isn't undefeated Indy vs undefeated New England expect to see some tears shed on ESPN during the week. |
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Jeremy Wrote - 10/25/2007 @ 12:57:50 PM Seriously, if next week isn't undefeated Indy vs undefeated New England expect to see some tears shed on ESPN during the week. You think the Colts or Patriots will cry on camera if they lose one regular season game? I doubt it  Honestly I'm getting kind of sick of ESPN. It's reached the point of overkill in many respects. I hardly ever even watch Sportscenter anymore. |
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| Jeremy - 1.21 Gigawatts!?!? 10/25/2007 @ 02:09:41 PM |
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Alex Wrote - 10/25/2007 @ 01:22:13 PM Jeremy Wrote - 10/25/2007 @ 12:57:50 PM Seriously, if next week isn't undefeated Indy vs undefeated New England expect to see some tears shed on ESPN during the week. You think the Colts or Patriots will cry on camera if they lose one regular season game? I doubt it Honestly I'm getting kind of sick of ESPN. It's reached the point of overkill in many respects. I hardly ever even watch Sportscenter anymore. The Colts and Patriots probably don't care, in the big picture, about going undefeated in the regular season. I meant all the NFL Live/Sportscenter people who have been working overtime prepping the Overhype Machine to discuss which of the undefeated teams will lose would be the ones weeping softly off camera. |
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 | Carlos44ec - What the F@#$ am I being arrested fo? 10/25/2007 @ 03:26:45 PM |
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| is the overhype machine akin to the wayback machine? |
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| Jeremy - I believe virtually everything I read. 10/25/2007 @ 04:04:29 PM |
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Not at all, though both seem to be run by children with ADD and house pets. Also did you mean the WABAC machine or the Wayback machine |
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 | Alex - 3619 Posts 10/25/2007 @ 05:26:32 PM |
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Jeremy Wrote - 10/25/2007 @ 02:09:41 PM Alex Wrote - 10/25/2007 @ 01:22:13 PM The Colts and Patriots probably don't care, in the big picture, about going undefeated in the regular season. I meant all the NFL Live/Sportscenter people who have been working overtime prepping the Overhype Machine to discuss which of the undefeated teams will lose would be the ones weeping softly off camera.Jeremy Wrote - 10/25/2007 @ 12:57:50 PM You think the Colts or Patriots will cry on camera if they lose one regular season game? I doubt it Seriously, if next week isn't undefeated Indy vs undefeated New England expect to see some tears shed on ESPN during the week.  Honestly I'm getting kind of sick of ESPN. It's reached the point of overkill in many respects. I hardly ever even watch Sportscenter anymore.I thought the wink emoticon would make it clear that I was being facetious (which I almost spelled correctly on the first try, one letter off). I also thought the bonus comments about the Overhype Machine (i.e. ESPN) would really make it clear. Clearly, I was wrong. |
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| Jeremy - 9543 Posts 10/25/2007 @ 05:34:38 PM |
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| Well it could have been clearer, even if you know what I meant. |
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Is that colts vs pats game going to be on NBC sunday night? it better be.. Do you think the Vikings can just forget about this whole quarterback position and just snap the ball to Adrian Peterson every play? If I have to chose, I will take Holcumb over Jackson anyday, remember Holcumb was with the Eagles in the preseason. |
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| Carlos44ec - You had me at "Hello" 10/26/2007 @ 02:48:36 PM |
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Jeremy Wrote - 10/25/2007 @ 04:04:29 PM Not at all, though both seem to be run by children with ADD and house pets. Also did you mean the WABAC machine or the Wayback machine WABAC. Mr. Peabody and his pet boy. |
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| Scott - 6225 Posts 10/27/2007 @ 03:12:54 PM |
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| So, that ongoing debate we had about "luck" and the comment I made about luck ksimply being "preparation meets opportunity". Check this out, in this week's Packer Plus (can't post a link for it because it's a paper that isn't on the internet), there is an article about exactly what I was talking about. The title of the article is "Packer preparation meets opportunity". The opening of the article is as follows: "Thing are going the Packers' way this year wheras they didn't last year. Some people might say, 'They're lucky.' In my opinion, luck is when preparation meets opportunity." Now I'm not going to say that this backs up my point any (because, frankly, we've beaten the "luck" argument to death), but I thought it was pretty cool that I read an article that was saying almost word for word exactly what I had said several weeks ago on the same topic. |
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| Alex - 3619 Posts 10/27/2007 @ 04:41:06 PM |
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Scott Wrote - 10/27/2007 @ 03:12:54 PM So, that ongoing debate we had about "luck" and the comment I made about luck ksimply being "preparation meets opportunity". Check this out, in this week's Packer Plus (can't post a link for it because it's a paper that isn't on the internet), there is an article about exactly what I was talking about. The title of the article is "Packer preparation meets opportunity". The opening of the article is as follows: "Thing are going the Packers' way this year wheras they didn't last year. Some people might say, 'They're lucky.' In my opinion, luck is when preparation meets opportunity." Now I'm not going to say that this backs up my point any (because, frankly, we've beaten the "luck" argument to death), but I thought it was pretty cool that I read an article that was saying almost word for word exactly what I had said several weeks ago on the same topic. Maybe you can sue for plagerism. |
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| You know how New England is going at a record setting pace and they could beat the Vikings' scoring record? Well, they usually mention that Moss was on that Vikings team and now is on the Patriots, but I was thinking about another interesting quirk. The Vikings' one loss that regular season? Buccaneers. The coach? Tony Dungy. I just thought I'd mention that before we hear it 800 times. |
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| Carolina's looking pretty good against the Colts. So, maybe Peyton won't get that record today, and maybe they won't be able to hype the game for next week against the "unbeatens". |
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| I think I might have to retract my previous statement. |
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The Patriots are whooping the Redskins? Kind of reminds you of how we started this country, doesn't it?! edited for more better PC compliance |
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| Carlos44ec perfected this at 10/29/2007 8:48:57 am | ||
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  | RUFiO1984 - I put my socks on the wrong feet. 10/28/2007 @ 07:21:23 PM |
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| how about dem lions boooyaaa!~~~~!!!! Catching up to those packers! |
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Carlos44ec Wrote - 10/28/2007 @ 05:23:02 PM The Patriots are raping the Redskins? Kind of reminds you of how we started this country, doesn't it?! Raping should never be used as a verb. |
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| I have a growing dislike for the New England area. The Patriots and the Red Sox are on my "Teams I hate" list, which includes pretty much just the Patriots and the Red Sox. For the record, I do not hate nor dislike the Colts, so my distain for the Patriots is not so much related to them being unbeaten. I just don't like them. |
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| Carlos44ec - 2079 Posts 10/29/2007 @ 08:48:17 AM |
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Alright, the term Raping was a bit harsh, a tad strong, and a whole-lotta inconsiderate. I will withdraw it immediately for some more PC terminology. Wow, the Nutcan community sure pulled a "white man" on me just now, didn't it! |
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| Carlos44ec - 2079 Posts 10/29/2007 @ 08:52:17 AM |
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Scott Wrote - 10/29/2007 @ 07:50:10 AM I have a growing dislike for the New England area. The Patriots and the Red Sox are on my "Teams I hate" list, which includes pretty much just the Patriots and the Red Sox. For the record, I do not hate nor dislike the Colts, so my distain for the Patriots is not so much related to them being unbeaten. I just don't like them. Since Boston/ New England seem to rely on buying Midwest talent, I wouldn't be surprised of everyone out here hated those two teams, plus the Celtics. |
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| Scott - Resident Tech Support 10/29/2007 @ 08:58:46 AM |
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| I wish no ill towards the Celtics (not yet, anyway), especially now that they have Ray Allen on their team. Also, I care about as much about basketball as I do MLS (maybe a little more, but I'm not a huge NBA fan). |
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| Carlos44ec - "The tallest blade of grass is the first to be cut by the lawnmower." 10/29/2007 @ 09:02:41 AM |
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| See, now you bring Soccer into the mix. I don't know much about that, but I am trying to pull something together to go see the Thunder play the Galaxy on Nov 11. (You know, the MN team playing Beckham's team?!?) |
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Between the Yankees and Red Sox I think I'll plan on disliking the team that most recently won the World Series more. Of course, the Cubs are always #1 on that list despite their lack of actually ever winning anything :) I've been fairly anti-Patriots this decade. I'm not really sure why that started, but it's continued since I'm all about the no-huddle/audible offense on Madden and therefore feel forever linked to Peyton. That being said, I'm not sure I can resist them anymore. The other thing I've spent effort on in Madden is simulating and building a team in the salary-cap era. No one does this better than the Patriots. They ditch respected veterans when their pay outweighs their play. They have the franchise QB, keep bringing in fresh RBs, last year maybe was a mistake at WR though maybe it was just one step back to take two forward, and they pick up pieces to fill a roll in free agency instead of just going after names (see "Washington Redskins"). Besides that they don't pander to the media and they play to win for 60 minutes and don't care if they hurt your feelings. A lot about sports has become too much about entertainment in my mind. These guys just want to win. And even if I don't necessarily root for them, I have to respect that a lot. The Celtics have been pretty bad for awhile and unless it's a rivalry thing I'm not going to kick a team that's been down. I'm fairly neutral on Ray but I like Garnett and the Bucks aren't doing anything this year anyway, so I'll probably be rooting for the C's in most of their games. |
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| Jeremy - Always thinking of, but never about, the children. 10/29/2007 @ 10:38:26 PM |
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So do you guys have to negotiate a cash deal with the refs before every game, or is it some sort of auto debit system? The phrase "opportunity meets preparation" dies tonight. |
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| Carlos44ec - "The tallest blade of grass is the first to be cut by the lawnmower." 10/29/2007 @ 10:41:26 PM |
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| Jeremy - Broadcast in stunning 1080i 10/29/2007 @ 10:50:35 PM |
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Well the Broncos in essence had the ball on the 2 yard line 3 times and got 3 points thanks to stripping the ball from their own team, an absolute phantom holding call that took back a 50 yard run to the 2, and a bone headed bungling of the two minute drill involving an inexplicable settling for 3 points. You'll pardon me if it's a little frustrating to a person who has had to spend the season having it shoved down his throat how "awesome" the Packers are, when week in week out they pull 3 gifts out of their asses, that they have little/nothing to do with being given, to squeak out a win against teams that play with half the starting roster on the sidelines. It would be a lot less frustrating if any Packer fan, anywhere, ever, would ever concede, "Yeah, we got away with one there." |
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Jeremy Wrote - 10/29/2007 @ 10:50:35 PM Well the Broncos in essence had the ball on the 2 yard line 3 times and got 3 points thanks to stripping the ball from their own team, an absolute phantom holding call that took back a 50 run to the 2, and a bone headed bungling of the two minute drill involving an inexplicable settling for 3 points. You'll pardon me if it's a little frustrating to a person who has had to spend the season having it shoved down his throat how "awesome" the Packers are, when week in week out they pull 3 gifts out of their asses, that they have little/nothing to do with being given, to squeak out a win against teams that play with half the starting roster on the sidelines. Amen! Thank you |
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It also doesn't help the frustration when the team you root for is on the other end of the luck spectrum, losing 5 games by an average of 6 points. Losing by 3 in ot after missing a fg in the final seconds of regulation. Losing by 4 after having a td taken off the board thanks to inept refs and worthless camera angles. Losing by 7 after having a late fumble recovery td waved off as an incomplete pass Losing by 10 on a blocked FG returned for a TD against the best team in the NFC and Losing by 7 after getting knocked down to your 3rd string QB. The Vikes are 2-5 despite only having scored 6 fewer points than their opponents, and despite an absolute worthless passing game. |
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Jeremy Wrote - 10/29/2007 @ 10:38:26 PM So do you guys have to negotiate a cash deal with the refs before every game, or is it some sort of auto debit system? The phrase "opportunity meets preparation" dies tonight. Unbelievable. The Packers had 13 penalties called against them and you somehow can even consider that the Broncos were somehow getting screwed? Do you even watch football anymore? Is that one big run by the Broncos the only play you watched, or is every call against the Packers opponent a bs call, while every call against the Packers is 100% justified? It's also a little more than annoying how one call against the team the Packers are playing constitutes as a giftwrapped game. Turnovers are part of the game also, and guess what, the Packers turned the ball over 0 times. Also, the Refs were calling every single little penalty for both teams, so stop bitching about one call that benefited the Packers (only penalties that benefit the Packers are the so-called "phantom calls") because there were about 10 other penalties in the game for both teams that shouldn't have been called. Yes the Packers were fortunate to come away with a win there. But the Bronco's weren't exactly playing like the Patriots either. And, if the Bronco's had won, it would have been a gift for them to. Who cares how you win. The Packers have beaten every team except for one. And you know what else, Favre Also, let us not even mention the fact that the ESPN crew decided to gush all night over Favre, because even us Packer fans are getting sick of the love fest. Also, for the record, I've used the phrase "opportunity meets preparation" once this season. (i actually used the exact phrase twice in 2004). Jeremy Wrote - 10/29/2007 @ 11:21:33 PM It also doesn't help the frustration when the team you root for is on the other end of the luck spectrum, losing 5 games by an average of 6 points. Welcome to the Packers season of 2005. That's right. I'm willing to dish it out with the best of 'em. |
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| Last thing before I go to bed: The Packers are 6-1 despite of my never feeling very confident going into any of the games, and most of the Packer writers in the Packer Plus pick against the Packers in most of the games this year. It is fair to say that the Packers seem to be overachieving, but that should not in any way diminish the fact that they are 6-1. And being the fan of a 6-1 team, I get to say all I want how great my team is. That's what you do when your team is 6-1. Isn't that the point of sports? To be able to brag to your friends that your team is better than theirs? Anyway, good win, goodnight. |
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Well, to be fair the packers never had a 50 yard play called back, and certainly had nothing called back in as critical a moment. They also got away with penalty after penalty in the secondary despite the barrage of calls that did go against them. Sure they had 13 penalties but I think 12 of them were false starts on one drive into, or should I say out of, the redzone. Bigsby was a walking penalty tonight, you'd have to have on awfully opaque green glasses to complain about anything he was called for. The fact that he wasn't yanked 1 minute and 3 critical plays into the game is the only thing that astounds me. The Broncos had two defensive holding calls at absolutely critical times. Now they didn't show the plays, so they obviously could have been the right call by rule, but how often do they ever call that? You maybe hear it called once every 5 games. I have a hard time believing the broncos did something that much more obvious then what goes on on the d line every down. Either way the Packers were bailed out of a jam by something they didn't do. Also, can we at least agree the Favre lovefest has been turned up past the boiling point, even as far as Farve lovefests are concerned? Edit: Oh, apparently we can. Was that in there originally Scott, or was that an edit? Was it originally struck out when you had it all messed up? I missed it one way or another. Edit2: You even also called it a "lovefest".  |
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| Alex - I was too weak to give in Too strong to lose 10/29/2007 @ 11:46:54 PM |
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| quote id='12458']Last thing before I go to bed: The Packers are 6-1 despite of my never feeling very confident going into any of the games, and most of the Packer writers in the Packer Plus pick against the Packers in most of the games this year. It is fair to say that the Packers seem to be overachieving, but that should not in any way diminish the fact that they are 6-1. And being the fan of a 6-1 team, I get to say all I want how great my team is. That's what you do when your team is 6-1. Isn't that the point of sports? To be able to brag to your friends that your team is better than theirs? Anyway, good win, goodnight. |
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That wasn't lost on me, in fact that's what inspired figuring out the overall point differential. I remember the people talking never endingly about how the packers had [small number of wins] and [big number of losses] despite technically outscoring their opponents. Alex Wrote - 10/29/2007 @ 11:46:54 PM Jeremy Wrote - 10/29/2007 @ 11:39:18 PM Bigsby was a walking penalty tonight, you'd have to have on awfully opaque green glasses to complain about anything he was called for. The fact that he wasn't yanked 1 minute and 3 critical plays into the game is the only thing that astounds me. See previous comment about phantom PI call. And it's Bigby. See previous comment regarding green glasses. |
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Vikings fans, Lions fans, and any other Packers detractors- You're seriously just going to have to deal with it. Arguing and getting frustrated won't do anything but raise your blood pressure... and I feel your pain: I have been sheepish about celebrating Packers victories and their awesome record because I am a realist- we don't necesarily deserve this record as much as we could, but that said, the winner of a game is simply who has more points at the end, and nothing else. Just like the Patriots proved Sunday, it's not even whether or not you do it with class. Sorry, but that's just how it goes. Maybe next year, hmm? |
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| Carlos44ec - 2079 Posts 10/30/2007 @ 09:36:14 AM |
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And good call, Scott, 5 corns. 6-1 teams can brag, celebrate, be happy and talk some decent smack, because 6-1 is some good stuff. 2-4 teams can feel free to complain, talk about how they get hosed, and how 6-1, 7-0 4-4 teams such, cheat, "shoulda coulda woulda" Of course like they say above, it's easy to make posts like this when your team is the 6-1 |
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| i am just happy lions are 5-2 haha and i know a lot of it had to do with the other teams mistakes :) |
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| Jeremy - Broadcast in stunning 1080i 10/30/2007 @ 11:47:29 AM |
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| You can brag all you want, that was really never the issue. (And no one really was bragging anyway.) |
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| I was trying to encourage it a bit more... :-) |
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My Brett Favre lovefest comment was in there from the beginning. I was in a bar and didn't really pay much attention to the announcers because the sound wasn't turned up that loud, but from what I gathered from others, I'm glad I didn't hear any of it. Although, I do think Jaws is a very good football mind. I wish I would have been able to listen to him during the game. In a game where the refs called 22 penalties, (almost 200 yards worth of penalties), it pretty evident that the refs were not interested in just letting the teams play. And I agree with Alex that the Bigby PI call in the endzone in the first qtr was questionable at best. It really looked like a case of feet getting tangled. And about the "phantom holding call" that negated a 50 yard play for the Broncos: I'll use a popular cliche that is often repeated on the NutCan when talking about holding calls: "holding can be called on virtually every play" (which I think was the refs goal for the game). The Packers got hosed on a holding call against the Redskins that actually took a touchdown off the board, and I was told this same thing, so there. Lets just agree that this was a poorly officiated game and neither team was exempt from being on the bad end of a number of bad calls. In no way did the refs call a onesided game for either team. |
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| Scott - 6225 Posts 10/30/2007 @ 12:27:41 PM |
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| For the record regarding Bigby: He was a bonhead. He hit a guy about 3 yards out of bounds and then later kicked the football after a incomplete pass. He seemed to be committing bonehead mistakes left and right, no doubt. But, I think the PI call in the endzone was iffy and probably shouldn't have been called. |
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| Jeremy - I hate our freedoms 10/30/2007 @ 12:44:12 PM |
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Well, calling holding in a crowed line is one thing. Someone on the O Line is almost always holding. Calling it on a wide receiver in space who clearly didn't do anything is another. At any rate I'm not advocating some sort of conspiracy, it just seems like teams always play their worst game of the year against the Packers, and not because of them. (And yes, I know that that isn't actually true.) I also disagree with the notion that an equal number of penalties == evenly officiated game. There's little to no logic in that at all. The refs could call 50 penalties against one team and 2 against another and those 2 could have a bigger impact on the game then the 50. Also everyone of those 50 could have been warranted and the 2 could still be complete BS. The Packers secondary seems to be getting away with murder on many plays. Like I said before, there really could have been more penalties than the every-other-play that there seemed to be. It's really not even the point. It's hard to explain really. I guess it's like every year there are a couple teams that surprise people and week 9 rolls around and people are still wondering "when's the bubble going to burst?" The Bears, Saints, ect. They can make it all the way to the NFC Championship and the entire way people are still wondering if they are for real. On the other hand when Brett Favre is involved they can get 2 wins into the season and instead of the media saying things like "Well I don't know, teams aren't going to muff 10 punts every game" the word "Superbowl" is brought up and Brett Favre is declared a superhero as if he's single handedly making a run with an otherwise talentless team. They just can't wait to talk about Favre and the thought of the story line of them in the Superbowl is so tantalizing to them that they just cast aside any discussion of why there are doubts that they would be beating to death if it was any other team. The closest thing they'll ever do is bring up the fact that the Packers have the worst running offense in the league, and that normally that means you don't win long term. However, they only bring that point up as another reason talk about how great that means Favre is and to replay the same 5 Brett Favre clips we've already seen 10 times this game, and 10 times a game every game before it. It's not really Packer fans' fault, but they are largely oblivious to it, and don't realize how frustrating it is to fans of other teams who would like to hear something good about their team once in a while during the week. (For us non Patriot fans, that is.) |
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| Scott - You're going to have to call your hardware guy. It's not a software issue. 10/30/2007 @ 01:18:29 PM |
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I never tried to make the argument that the games was evenly officiated because of similar amounts of penalties. I just thought there were a number of very questionable calls for each team throughout the course of the game. And it seemed like the refs were giving the benefit of the doubt to "penalty" rather than, "let the boys play." And I also feel like Bigby was being picked on a little bit. The ref through a flag on him in the locker room even. Enough about this though. No one will win this debate. I do agree somewhat with Jeremy's last portion of the last comment. And we all know that the media outlets really enjoy talking about Favre. Him being one of the most likeable guys in the league aside (and I don't mean that in a homerish way), I realize that he definitely gets more play than most and usually for the same things over and over again. But, this obviously is good for ratings otherwise they wouldn't do it. Is it possible that it is more obvious because of your Vikings loyalty and that throughout the rest of the country it isn't quite as frustrating? Might be. I don't hear much of the frustration down here as I did in Eau Claire. When I talk to people they seem to like Brett Favre. I'm not saying that you don't like Favre, but I would imagine that if my coworkers felt the same frustrations they would say something. And so far in my conversations with them, no one has. Anyway, onto week 9 and hopefully a 7-1 record. Of course, the first game all year I feel confident about the Packers chances will probably be a loss. |
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| Alex - 3619 Posts 10/30/2007 @ 01:22:33 PM |
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Sounds like a case of Favre envy. Jeremy Wrote - 10/30/2007 @ 12:44:12 PM It's not really Packer fans' fault, but they are largely oblivious to it, and don't realize how frustrating it is to fans of other teams who would like to hear something good about their team once in a while during the week. (For us non Patriot fans, that is.) Something like, "They lost again, but at least they tried hard"? or "If they win out they could still get the wild card maybe"? |
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Well as a person that goes to the games, as odd as it seems, you actually MISS a lot during the course of the game VS someone who watches it on TV. I get home and would like to be able to see some highlights, that touchdown I thought was close on a nice upclose replay, ect. Instead, despite 500 shows being dedicated to the NFL, and all the time in the world to fill, they hardly even acknowledge that a handful of the games took place because it would cut into their time spent covering what Tom Brady and Brett Favre like to eat on gamedays. Edit, in otherwords I didn't mean they should say something "good" in the sense that they should never say anything negative, and should go through team by team every week and say something nice. I just don't think Adrian Peterson should have to put up 300 yards and 3 td's to see a Viking jersey on Sportcenter/NFL Live/Pregames/Post games/what-have-you. It just seems some teams aren't covered, some are incessantly dumped on, and some are given a pass to do anything and still be considered awesome. Now, this isn't communism, obviously the Patriots have earned a bit more coverage than the Browns, but it would be nice for the media to aknowledge these other teams. It seems like in the past I had a pretty good grasp on the state of the NFL as a whole, now I go and do my picks every week and I look at the teams and they could be 1-6 or 5-2 for all I know, and I didn't change my ESPN.com/TV habits any. |
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It would be easier for you to see more on the Vikes if anyone was watching them in the first place. It seems that yet again, deals will have to be made between the organization and the networks to ensure they will even be televised! It's sad when a home town team risks not being aired because of a lack of interest. |
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| Lions are 5-2 for the first time in i dunno how long and could have been tied for first in their division if the packers would have lost.. but you never hear anything about the lions :( .. Or how strong Kitna must be to be able to take so many hits amnd not get injured haha :) cover THAT!!!!!!! sorry |
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| Jeremy - Pie Racist 10/30/2007 @ 02:46:57 PM |
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They covered the Lions a lot back when Kitna made his prediction to laugh at the lions. Now that it looks like it has a good shot to pan out at best you'll get a "yeah how about that, he might have been right, too bad the Packers are running away with the division." As for the blackouts: I know you'd never convince a packer fan, (most of whom have never seen a game in their lives, but feel morally superior to other teams fans because their stadium is sold out whether or not anyone actually shows up) but there's something to be said for NOT blindly supporting a team no matter what they do wrong, at least when it comes to actually forking over your money. Fans (and yes even Packer fans) vote with their dollar during tough times and great times. You can't go from a offensive powerhouse to a team incapable of throwing a pass for 5 yards and not expect some blowback from the fans. I wouldn't want to turn in our season tickets, because we'd never get them back, but I would be, in a way, glad if the rest of the games get blacked out. What better way to send a message to the team that the status quo is not acceptable? (Also, these ticket issues are par for the course for any slumping team, it's just usually teams care enough about their fans to reserve some tickets to actually be sold.) There are thousands of tickets out there for every Packer game too, you just can't get them for face value at the box office. |
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| Ok, after your clarification there I agree. It does seem like sports coverage used to be better about giving decent recaps of every game where as now they blaze through 10 of the games in 10 seconds and then spend the rest of the hour on the other 2 or 3 games. This is somewhat what I had in mind with my "A lot about sports has become too much about entertainment in my mind." comment yesterday. Just review the games, show the highlights, maybe point out some stats, and skip all the superfluous jibber-jabber that really has nothing to do with the game. |
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