NFL 2005 Season Week 5 Picks

	Sarah - So's your face 10/08/2005 @ 01:28:06 PM
Sickening		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9563 Posts 10/08/2005 @ 04:18:29 PM
This was my last post last week but I'll bring it over to here so people can see it. "About 3/4th of the way through the (badger) game something hit me I had to ponder. Why havent the page 3 faithful/well wishers ever gotten together for a Badger game? It makes too much sense to not happen, Madison is a Midway point between Alex, Bret, Scott, and the Staff and home to pretty much anyone else that has been here more than twice. Add to it that it's the only team in any sport at any level that we all root for in common and this needs to happen at some point."		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - Broadcast in stunning 1080i 10/08/2005 @ 04:22:11 PM
Also the fantasy points are off a bit thanks to the never ending tweeking of the partial points by yahoo. If everyone could go through the weeks and find out where they are off that would help a lot. I know for example Scott is ahead of Sarah by a fraction of a point rather than down a point.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Matt - 3961 Posts 10/08/2005 @ 06:42:53 PM
To answer something Sarah said in last weeks comments....... Rivas is gone too.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - So's your face 10/08/2005 @ 06:56:21 PM
oh		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Anon. Nut Can Fan (Guest) 10/08/2005 @ 07:20:20 PM
In last week's comments, Sarah said, "I mean I konw the Packers suck, but Favre=the Packers." If indeed favre equals the packers AND the packers suck, then favre sucks. Altogether..."Valeed". That one's for you scott.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jon - 3463 Posts 10/08/2005 @ 07:21:56 PM
That brilliant comment was by me.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - 3619 Posts 10/08/2005 @ 11:21:19 PM
lol (in an insanely scary way) at joe johnson and jamal reynolds counting 5.5 mil on the packers cap. sherman's legacy grows. i can't blame stocco for this one. he and the rest of the offense did more than their fair share. the defense was just pathetic today. and so ends any title chances for this year. i'm suprised no one took arizona or dallas.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - No, I did not change your screen saver settings 10/09/2005 @ 12:48:07 AM
robert furgeson is actually getting paid more than Donald Driver, does that confuse anyone?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - Resident Tech Support 10/09/2005 @ 12:50:25 AM
Jon, your argument would only work if suck=packers. But as it is, it is simply "Packers suck". ESPN said at somepoint this week that the Vikings have a big advantage in the NFC North this week simply because they don't play. That's funny.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - As Seen On The Internet 10/09/2005 @ 03:02:26 AM
well so far both teams to earn 1st place outright in the north did so in their bye		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Matt - Washington Bureau Chief 10/09/2005 @ 11:38:05 AM
Since the Vikings have a bye this week, I figure people will need some way to pass the time, so here is your Official Week 5 Trivia Question: In 1976 this man became the highest ranked U.S. Military officer in the history of the United States. Who is he? First one to get it right gets to be honorary MBL for a day.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - How do you use these things? 10/09/2005 @ 12:27:33 PM
1st rushing td of the season - I feel good, anyone else?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - So's your face 10/09/2005 @ 12:35:14 PM
Al Harris loves picking off former Packer QBs, and I love to watch.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - I hate our freedoms 10/09/2005 @ 12:35:47 PM
Sarah just went ultrasonic.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 10/09/2005 @ 12:44:45 PM
12-4 BABY!!!! 12-4 and it is George Washington		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Matt - Ombudsman 10/09/2005 @ 12:47:47 PM
It is indeed George Washington, unfortunately since Scott is not an official Page 3 writer he is ineligible for the prize.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - How do you use these things? 10/09/2005 @ 12:54:34 PM
1976? How does that work? I was trying to find the answer. Man I love this game!!!!		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Matt - 3961 Posts 10/09/2005 @ 01:01:46 PM
Your problem Sarah, is that you underestimate the power of Gerald Ford. "In 1976, by Act of Congress, Washington was posthumously appointed to the rank General of the Armies" and "By executive order of President Gerald Ford, it was also determined that George Washington would always remain senior and could never be outranked by any other officer of the U.S. military."		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - So's your face 10/09/2005 @ 01:02:00 PM
Nevermind, I had it explained to me. GO PACK GO!!!		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4691 Posts 10/09/2005 @ 01:07:07 PM
Take that McKenzie		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 10/09/2005 @ 01:07:15 PM
He was named a 6-star general. Packers are the Best Team in the League!!!		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - No one's gay for Moleman 10/09/2005 @ 01:16:12 PM
He wasnt actually. I'm pretty sure feet don't bend that way.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4691 Posts 10/09/2005 @ 01:16:12 PM
I feel ill.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Matt - 3961 Posts 10/09/2005 @ 01:18:23 PM
I don't think that he is officially 6-stars. From what I've read, the ranks of General of the Armies (Washington, Pershing) and Admiral of the Navy (Dewey) are superior to 5-stars and equivalent to 6-stars, but its never been decided officially that they are 6-stars. If that makes any sense at all.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - Always thinking of, but never about, the children. 10/09/2005 @ 01:29:00 PM
Yes. > 5 but not >= 6 That was a 13 point hookup.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4691 Posts 10/09/2005 @ 01:32:03 PM
So Davenport is hurt, Harris is hurt.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4691 Posts 10/09/2005 @ 01:33:33 PM
Harrington sux		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - No one's gay for Moleman 10/09/2005 @ 01:33:47 PM
How long is Joey F. Harrington going to be allowed to destroy that team.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - Cube Phenomenoligist 10/09/2005 @ 01:41:34 PM
Ronde Barber threw a punch, missed, and hit a ref, and WASN'T ejected?!?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - How do you use these things? 10/09/2005 @ 02:11:53 PM
When I spend my vacations in Green Bay, I spend at least 3 hours on Mike Holmgren Way, just wondering the street, looking at it in awe. Truly awesome. And don't get me started on Brett Favre Pass. Well, first of all, it took me like 4 hours to find it and then I spent 5 hours on it, just basking in its glory.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - I believe virtually everything I read. 10/09/2005 @ 02:17:41 PM
BF Rule!		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - So's your face 10/09/2005 @ 02:32:11 PM
Rodgers on the 3 yard line, yea that doesn't spell trouble.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4691 Posts 10/09/2005 @ 02:35:23 PM
Ok, Harrington has had 4 games this year, he's thrown for 500 yards, that's only 125 a game. That's not normal.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4691 Posts 10/09/2005 @ 02:46:31 PM
I have that man's autograph!		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 10/09/2005 @ 03:27:05 PM
I really hope you're not serious about the Brett Favre rule when the defensive linemen actually shoved the qb well after the ball was gone. It wasn't like he was trying to slow down but couldn't, or that he just ran into Favre. I think according to some people, you can't actually call roughing the passer against the green bay QB. I'm actually going to start calling roughing the passer against Favre the "Viking Rule", because it is a rule that Viking fans will call it the Brett Favre rule no matter what. But, now that the Packers have an equal number of wins as the Vikings I can start to give good reason why the Packers the better team. 52-3 versus 33-16 is a start. Why would they bring in Rodgers in the beginning of the 4th quarter and have him throw the ball once?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9563 Posts 10/09/2005 @ 03:44:33 PM
To be fair: A) No most QBs will NOT get that call for just being ran into after letting the ball go. Watch Daunte, McNabb or Leftwich if you want to see what doesn't get called if the refs don't feel they have to protect them. Was it unnessisary? Sure Could he have not done it? Probobly. But that isn't the question. More often then not on any long pass the announcer will add "and look at the hit (fill qb name in here) took" and it will be something much worse. B) The Vikings didn't get to play the 2nd string Saints.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - Always thinking of, but never about, the children. 10/09/2005 @ 03:53:00 PM
c) I posted that when the flag was thrown because I had a feeling it was coming. d) I'm sort of kidding on the square about the BF rule. e) I just posted it to get a rise.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9563 Posts 10/09/2005 @ 04:07:41 PM
f) They may have the same number of wins but the Vikings and Packers "non common" oppenents are Vikings: Atlanta(Away) and Cincinnati(Away), Packers: Lions(Away) and Browns(Home), Carolina(Away). Not really a comparison there. A combined 5-1 vs 1-6 headed into the week taking away the victories over the packers or vikings.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jon - infinity + 1 posts 10/09/2005 @ 05:09:37 PM
first of all, the favre sucks comment does hold up because it wasn't favre = sucks. Second, "on the square"????		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jon - infinity + 1 posts 10/09/2005 @ 05:16:18 PM
third, if Joe johnson is counting that much against the packers' cap, imagine what he's counting against the cap for the Hawks.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - On your mark...get set...Terrible! 10/09/2005 @ 05:48:37 PM
Aaron Kampman got called for roughing the passer twice last week. And, I never actually said this: "most QBs will NOT get that call for just being ran into after letting the ball go". I said that this would not merrit a call. What I said was that the defensive player SHOVED Favre unecessarily. If a player shoves, rather than simply runs into because of momentum, a QB, that is the definition of roughing the passer. It wasn't just "running into him". IF that was the case I would not have expected the call. But if someone wants to point out a different definition of roughing the passer, I would like to hear it. I figured all of your c,d,e points were the case. The Packers were up 28-3 at halftime against the 1st string Saints, but the Packers had their second string team on the field the whole game. (green out, davenport out in the 2nd half, walker out, makeshift offensive line, 3 wide recievers, Diggs out). Also, I think the common opponents is a better thing to compare because you can compare almost directly. It makes more sense to say "We played team X and did this, and you played team X and did that." Uncommon opponents do tell some of the story, but you can't say what the other team would do. When you look at what DID happen against teams that both teams played, to me that is the most accurate assessment of 2 teams that haven't played each other. And so far, between the 2 teams that the Vikes and Packers have played in common, it would be hard to argue who actually played the better game. Jon, your argument still makes no sense.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 10/09/2005 @ 05:49:16 PM
oh, and everyone should watch the Braves-Astros game on espn right now. it's in the 18th inning		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jon - Nutcan.com's kitten expert 10/09/2005 @ 05:55:02 PM
Ok scott, are you saying it doesn't make sense cause you don't think favre sucks or because you actually don't think it works? Cause it does.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - Cube Phenomenoligist 10/09/2005 @ 05:59:42 PM
What I'm saying is you only have 1 win despite having a WAY easier schedule so far, not sure how that can be disputed. The Vikings had the Saints (with Joe Horn) 24-6 at the half, then played the 1st string Saints from that point on. Bouman looked like the 2nd coming of the Sperg out there.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - Resident Tech Support 10/09/2005 @ 06:06:59 PM
cause it doesn't work. here is the premise The Packers suck Favre equals the Packers Conclusion Favre suck doesn't work on this premise. Assuming this to be true(Favre equals the Packers), you can't assume that "Packers = Favre", which is what you would need for it to work. However, I don't the think the premise is true, in which case it would be a contradiction and anything would be possible.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - No, I did not change your screen saver settings 10/09/2005 @ 06:11:04 PM
Hey, you're the one who "power ranked" the Packers atop the NFC North. Best NLDS game ever.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Anon. Nut Can Fan (Guest) 10/09/2005 @ 06:13:20 PM
since favre = packers, you can substitute one for the other. so just subsittiute favre for the packers. So favre sucks if the packers suck. which sarah stated they do.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4691 Posts 10/09/2005 @ 06:41:09 PM
Quit being nerds. Favre rules, Packers rules! Alex Smith sux.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - No, I did not change your screen saver settings 10/09/2005 @ 06:41:58 PM
but I don't consider Sarah to be the authority on who does or does not equal the Packers, so like I said, the premise is wrong.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 10/09/2005 @ 06:42:30 PM
ha ha on Sarah's comment		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 10/09/2005 @ 06:45:27 PM
Favre is on pace for 38 TD's for the season, and his pace was actually upped this week, and his INT pace was lessened, so there. Who sucks now? Finance sucks		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jon - 3463 Posts 10/09/2005 @ 06:47:59 PM
Caught in your own web of logic! Now you try to take it back!		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - How do you use these things? 10/09/2005 @ 06:49:26 PM
Finance does suck, which is why I only took FIN 320. Now I am studying for the CPA exam, which sux even more. Everything sux, I've jumped on Matt's theory to everything.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 10/09/2005 @ 06:53:10 PM
Jon, like any good politician, when I realize I can't win the argument, I must change the question to say what I want it to say. They do it in washington, so I figure Page3 is fair game.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jon - 1000000 posts (and counting!) 10/09/2005 @ 06:55:42 PM
I was talking to sarah mostly anyway.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4691 Posts 10/09/2005 @ 07:11:32 PM
Jon- You didn't even know what I was talking about so you made up this big equation to entertain yourself for the day. I hope you enjoyed yourself. :)~		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jon - 3463 Posts 10/09/2005 @ 07:13:52 PM
It was a small equation and yes it is still entertaining me.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - I was too weak to give in Too strong to lose 10/09/2005 @ 09:58:52 PM
I was fishing all day, listened to the Packer game but didn't really pay attention since it was a blowout. So now going through and looking at the box scores, I'm seeing some seriously messed up stuff. 3 Detroit RBs scored? Tampa kicked 4 FGs and lost 12-14? Thomas Jones ran for 137 yards, yet Benson was apparently in the game just long enough to fumble in a 10 point loss that Braylon Edwards didn't have a catch in? Daniel Graham had 119 receiving yards, Dillon ran for 106 yet Pass had the running TD, and they win on a last second FG by Vinateri? Like that would ever happen. Manning has 2 INTs and 1 TD against the same team that gave up 50 TDs to Josh McDonald's last week? I thought Dallas might win, but they out gained Philly 456 to 129? What the deal yo?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - 3619 Posts 10/09/2005 @ 10:36:51 PM
With the Badgers' loss yesterday, there national title chances probably also went down the tube because there will likely be at least 2 unbeaten teams. If however there ended up only being one or none, consider these facts. The Badgers stayed in the top 25 even with that loss, so they're still respected. There are 3 2-1 teams in Big Ten play, Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Iowa. Then of course at 3-0 is Penn State. The Badgers have yet to play all 3 of those teams, so if they were to run the table from here on out... We should try to get a game sometime. Only 2 left this season though, if they do make a run 11/12 against Iowa could be crazy. And probably pricy since it'll be Alvarez's last home game. Does anyone have a hook up for tickets? I really thought Michigan would win this week. Minnesota usually collapses in the 2nd half (must be something in the water), but I guess that doesn't start for them till next week :)		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - But let history remember, that as free men, we chose to make it so! 10/09/2005 @ 10:39:42 PM
Sweet, Scobee is getting his kick on.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9563 Posts 10/09/2005 @ 11:05:45 PM
Braylon Edwards was out with an Elbow infection		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - 3619 Posts 10/09/2005 @ 11:16:36 PM
I figured that out after further inspection. I started him on one of my teams and according to my very hastily guessed at scoring, it's going to be a close one. If I lose by 1 I'll be mad cause I could have put in R.Williams for his 1 point. Who has since been dropped because he's hurt and JH sucks. They need to bring back Peete.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - 3619 Posts 10/09/2005 @ 11:17:56 PM
In fact, if Vinny can come back and win, the Lions should definitely call him up.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 10/10/2005 @ 07:32:35 AM
And Davenport is out for the season. So we're down to our thrid string, undrafted free agent running back, 2 wide receivers with any experience, a busted up offensive line, and a thrid string TE. Yup, I smell 12-4		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Micah - 584 Posts 10/10/2005 @ 11:55:06 AM
Baltimore had more penalty yards than Harrington had passing yards...and yet...Lions still own first place!!!!!! BOOYAH!!!!!		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - How do you use these things? 10/10/2005 @ 05:08:01 PM
I certainly enjoyed my holiday today. They didn't even deliver mail for Brett Favre day. Now if only I hadn't had to have gone to work. Why would you go fishing instead of watching football? I don't get it...		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 10/10/2005 @ 05:32:39 PM
cuz football other than the Packers and Badgers, and vikings when they get beat, is lame compared to baseball Brett Favre Day? I thought it was "Guy who founded a country that was already inhabitted so he killed all the inhabitants and claimed the new land for his home country" Day.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - 3619 Posts 10/10/2005 @ 06:21:16 PM
Columbus is a poser. Football lasts till January, warm enough weather to go fishing lasts hopefully a few more weekends. And when I catch my 40" muskie it will definitely be worth missing a little football. Only had a 24" northern yesterday. I'm excited for the game tonight though as I need a big day from Brees and McCardell on a couple of my teams.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - How do you use these things? 10/10/2005 @ 06:39:33 PM
You also had friday, saturday, and sunday morning. You also had from May 7th til now. Football only lasts til Feb. Achtung Man!		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - 3619 Posts 10/10/2005 @ 06:57:05 PM
sunday morning? do you fish for 5 minutes at a time? i think we headed out at 9 and didn't get home till 7. plus, saturday i had to watch the badgers and it was colder and friday i had to work.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - The pig says "My wife is a slut?" 10/10/2005 @ 08:57:57 PM
That was alot of points for me refs. Hines scored! No touching! No touching!		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - Resident Tech Support 10/10/2005 @ 09:05:20 PM
Go Angels......or as I like to say: Go (team that is playing the Yankees)!!!		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jon - 1 bajillion posts 10/10/2005 @ 09:32:08 PM
the packers are in last place.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9563 Posts 10/10/2005 @ 09:52:36 PM
How in the hell is the Lopez show the #1 comedy? What demo is that?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - You're going to have to call your hardware guy. It's not a software issue. 10/10/2005 @ 11:42:06 PM
well, I can rest peacefully knowing that an AL East team will not be making it to the world series this year.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 10/11/2005 @ 08:42:15 AM
Streak Ended Mark Taucher, right tackle for the packers, was called for his first holding penalty of his 6 year career. And it wasn't even holding! It's possible the officials misidentified the culprit and named Tauscher instead of guard Will Whitticker, who appeared to be holding on the play. But nevertheless, Mark Taucher is forever tarnished.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Micah - Bring me the finest muffins and bagels in all the land. 10/11/2005 @ 11:19:58 AM
"Guy who founded a country that was already inhabitted so he killed all the inhabitants and claimed the new land for his home country" Wouldn't that be George W. Bush Day?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 10/11/2005 @ 12:46:37 PM
Check this out, Texas Sucks Oh yeah, and don't mess with Texas.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Matt - Nutcan.com's MBL 10/11/2005 @ 02:03:29 PM
I like Christopher Columbus, G.W. Bush, and Texas.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 10/11/2005 @ 04:21:31 PM
you would		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Anon. Nut Can Fan (Guest) 10/11/2005 @ 07:30:19 PM
http://www.kare11.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=108966 Vikings + Cruise Ship + 20 Strippers = excellent use of a bye week, plus some lawsuits		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 10/12/2005 @ 12:21:50 AM
more cap hurtin' The packers have to pay Cletidus Hunt 1.25 mil base salary after cutting him during training camp. Reason was because he was injured when they cut him. Ouch.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - On your mark...get set...Terrible! 10/12/2005 @ 11:45:09 AM
something about a Vikings Sex Scandal?? Doesn't sound good		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 10/12/2005 @ 12:31:51 PM
So I'm working at Chancellors front desk and I have a MIS 304 program due tomorrow morning at 8:00. I'm busy all night tonight, so what do I do? I go to the Library to check out a laptop. I ask them more than once if the laptop has all the "Departmental" folders and files in the Start Menu, and they assure me that yes, it does. Well, without checking for myself, I trust them, figuring they know what they're talking. Turns out they didn't, and I'm now sitting here at the Chancellors front desk with a laptop that is doing nothing for me because it doesn't have VB.Net2003 like I thought it did (it would have been in the Departmental folders that I was told were in the Start Menu). So, as it turns out, instead of being productive and studious, I now have no homework with me and I will not be able to start my program until 10:00 tonight. Ah the joys of putting things off to the last possible moment.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - 3619 Posts 10/12/2005 @ 02:04:03 PM
Speaking of Hunt and the salary cap again reminded me of a conversation I had with my dad last weekend. He can't imagine why Sherman is still with the team or how he got a contract extension before this season started. Then it occurred to me. The Packers biggest problem right now is not that Sherman is the coach. It's that their salary cap situation is bad, they've (meaning Sherman the GM) has been pretty bad with giving too big and long of contracts to players that don't deserve them, so consequently they have an overly young team that isn't that talented. This situation was sealed for at least this year and probably 1 or 2 more by the time the Packers thought about ditching Sherman. I think it was a case of the Packers making Sherman deal with his own crappy roster. Why bring in a new coach and hand him this mess? Let Sherman suffer with it. If he somehow succeeds, that would be great. If not, fire him after his new contract is done and by that time hopefully the salary cap situation will be better and a new coach can help restock the roster.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 10/12/2005 @ 02:28:58 PM
I wouldn't disagree with that statement		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 10/12/2005 @ 07:39:00 PM
what, do you guys have JOBS or something? Don't worry, I'll hold down the fort.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - I don't need to get steady I know just how I feel 10/12/2005 @ 10:29:13 PM
I do have a job and I still post on my lunch break. Angels got jobbed tonight. I know I pledged to root for the White Sox, but I was so happy that the Angels took down the Yankees that I'm finding it hard to root against them. My current predictions: Sox win the next 3; Cardinals win 1, then Houston wins first home game, then Cards win next 2. Sox take the series in six (win 2, lose 2, win 2). That sucks about your laptop Scott. I miss the good old days of programming all night the day before an assignment was due. At work they actually expect me to do stuff everyday :(		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - Ma'am, can you make sure your computer is turned on? 10/13/2005 @ 12:48:08 AM
I finally finished the program. I am still rooting for the Sox, but really, the Sox have either when 3 straight or win at least one game by like 10 runs or more for me not to feel like the Angels took one. If the Sox win it in 7 games, people will talk. If they win it in 5, it will probably go away.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 10/13/2005 @ 08:59:47 AM
upon further review, I think the replay was actually inconclusive. It look like the ball changed direction before it stopped in his glove, but it is hard to say whether or not it was the ground that caused the change. I'll back the umps now.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - I believe virtually everything I read. 10/13/2005 @ 12:10:16 PM
Supposedly it can hit the groud as long as it's fielded cleanly afterwards.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Micah - Shaken not stirred gets you cold water with a dash of gin and dry vermouth 10/13/2005 @ 01:32:20 PM
Does it really matter? I always thought that when you see the umpire make a big fist in the air that the batter is out. The really fun part is that I was wathcing the game in a bar when this happened so there was no sound. So there was about 25 people crowded around this little TV trying to figure out what the hell actually happened.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - Refactor Mercilessly 10/13/2005 @ 01:38:48 PM
To me, it was fairly clear from the replay that the ball landed in the webbing of the glove then bounced up into the pocket a little bit. I think the ump is claiming that the fist was for strike 3 but he never actually called him out. I saw it at home but after just finishing watching Lost and Invasion nothing could really suprise me or confuse me any more than I already was.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - You're going to have to call your hardware guy. It's not a software issue. 10/13/2005 @ 05:23:21 PM
the actual motion by the umpire isn't really the issue, because he makes the same motion for a cleanly fielded strike 3 or a swing and a miss strike 3 that goes to the backstop. It's the words "you're out" that really matter, especially in a situation where the catcher may have not have caught the ball. And even if the catcher did indeed catch it (which he probably did), if he didn't hear those words, he should have either tagged AJ right away, which wouldn't have been that hard, or not rolled the ball to the mound. Jeremy, what do you mean by your comment? What's the over under on when how many games until Mike Tice is fired. And how much if at alldoes this sex scandal story hurt the Vikings' chances of getting a new stadium?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Darren Sharper (Guest) 10/13/2005 @ 05:55:53 PM
The team that boats together stays together.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - No one's gay for Moleman 10/13/2005 @ 06:04:53 PM
A coworker (Josh - Malcreado on the message board) said that the rules state the ball can hit the ground on stike 3 as long at it is fielded cleanly afterwards. I guess as in not dropped/kicked around. I dont think Tice will be fired this year. It sends the message that the year is done, they have no real in house options, and statistically interim coaches do poorly. I think the cruise thing might hurt the chances a bit, but the chances are already slim. If a stadium gets done anytime soon it's because Ziggy put up a HUGE portion of it, in which case he could go that no matter how many orgies are going on. Early reports seem to be that the story originally reported is quite overblown, but obviuosly the story can't be entirly made up either. I guess we'll have to wait and see.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	A.J. (Guest) 10/13/2005 @ 06:05:48 PM
Boo Ya.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 10/13/2005 @ 06:35:30 PM
"A batter is out when_ (a) His fair or foul fly ball (other than a foul tip) is legally caught by a fielder; (b) A third strike is legally caught by the catcher; "Legally caught" means in the catcher's glove before the ball touches the ground..." That's out of the MLB rulebook. If the ball hits the ground, it is not legally caught, and the batter is not out yet. Just clarifying.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - 3619 Posts 10/13/2005 @ 06:45:15 PM
I agree that the catcher really "dropped the ball" when he didn't tag AJ. It should be instinctive for a catcher to do that.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 10/13/2005 @ 06:45:57 PM
on a side note, it's interesting how not bored I was reading through the MLB rule book.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9563 Posts 10/13/2005 @ 07:42:18 PM
Generally speaking isn't it matter of course to tag the batter pretty much no matter what? I see catchers do it all the time when they don't have to.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 10/14/2005 @ 08:15:03 AM
when it's close, I think you are right. Apparently Paul didn't think it was close. On talk radio last night, the guy was saying that AJ tricked the umpire by running. That's crazy		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - 3619 Posts 10/14/2005 @ 01:14:39 PM
I don't know about that. I mean if AJ justs heads for the dugout and the Angels all go running off the field, what was the ump going to do? If he really had made up his mind about the call I guess he would call AJ out for being out of the basepath? Paul shouldn't have to think about whether it was close or not. The ball was within an inch of the ground, just stand up and tag the guy who didn't even run right away and this whole situation would be moot. I'm sure that's what the ump is thinking right now.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Micah - I'm on a boat! Everybody look at me cause I'm sailing on a boat! 10/14/2005 @ 02:20:36 PM
Amen. http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-twins-moves&prov=ap&type=lgns		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - So's your face 10/14/2005 @ 04:40:15 PM
I soooo commented on that last week, try to keep up Micah. :)~		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.