NFL 2004 Season Week 5 Picks

	Sarah - So's your face 10/07/2004 @ 10:36:39 PM
I stand corrected. I think page 3 writers should be fined or suspended for not getting their picks in by the wednesday deadline.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Matt - 3941 Posts 10/07/2004 @ 11:32:37 PM
I never agreed to any Wednesday deadline.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - 3619 Posts 10/08/2004 @ 12:08:45 AM
CLE, ATL, NE, HOU, DALL, INDY, NO, NYJ, SD, ARI, DEN, SEA, BALT, GB Can anyone beat the Cards (the STL version)? I think not.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4671 Posts 10/08/2004 @ 12:41:16 PM
There was always a Wednesday deadline. It was, in fact, agreed upon when we agreed upon it. Why didn't anyone show up for lunch on Friday?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 10/08/2004 @ 02:27:29 PM
Pitt, Detroit, New England, Minn, Dallas, Indy, Tampa Bay, Jets, Jacksonville, Arizona, Carolina, Washington, Green Bay. I saw Jon on friday looking for you guys today around 1:30ish, but I don't think he found you.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Matt - Washington Bureau Chief 10/08/2004 @ 03:11:36 PM
My 2nd class on Friday was cancelled, so I went home after my 1st class.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - So's your face 10/08/2004 @ 04:10:38 PM
Jon is always late. I really hope you meant 12:30 because normally we eat together from 12:00-1:00. :) I was in class at 1:30. Was your class really cancelled or did you just skip for the 90th time? Also, I can see that our Page 3 readers have cracked the code and have gotten into our picks before they go live. :)		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - 3619 Posts 10/08/2004 @ 06:16:28 PM
I would've been at lunch, but I didn't have class today. Oh wait, I never have class anymore. Ha ha!		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Matt - Ombudsman 10/08/2004 @ 06:45:45 PM
No, it was really cancelled.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - As Seen On The Internet 10/08/2004 @ 07:07:22 PM
There's no "code cracking" when people (I'm looking at you and Matt) post comments on the week before it's live. And screw Jon, it's going live now.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9543 Posts 10/08/2004 @ 09:33:34 PM
Bush is truely a "glass is half full" guy if he honestly believes the report saying Sadaam has no weapons, or the means to make the weapons "justifies" going to war.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - Who controls the past now controls the future 10/08/2004 @ 09:55:21 PM
Is abortion in the Constituion? I don't think so. Also, Kerry's explanation that believing that abortion is murder is a personal belief and therefore people should be allowed that choice is lame and faulty. Following that same logic, if 40% (just a random number) of US citizens believed that killing people over the age of 80 was okay, then Kerry would have to allow that as well because it's just a personal belief. Abortion is murder, it's that simple. So is embryonic stem cell research. Also, if I had a penny for every time that Kerry said the word "plan"... And just to clarify, there's alot of things I don't agree on with Bush as well, but Kerry sucks. When the woman asked him the question about using tax dollars to fund abortions, his answer seriously reminded me of Billy Madison. Not at one point in 90 seconds did he say anything about tax dollars, and I'm not sure that he really said anything about anything.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Matt - Washington Bureau Chief 10/08/2004 @ 10:05:33 PM
Jon wants me to convey that he thinks that Bush knocked it out of the park.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9543 Posts 10/08/2004 @ 10:10:43 PM
Suddenly it's an 8 to 4 ballgame		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9543 Posts 10/08/2004 @ 10:32:01 PM
And Suddenly it's over. Bush certainly did better this time than last time, but that isn't saying much and I think Kerry still did a better job. At least Kerry obeys debate rules and didn't verbally accost Charlie. Abortion isn't in he constitution, that's exactly the point. It's open to interpretation and since it's not explicitly listed you could err on the side of it being a right. How Kerry described his feelings on abortion is pretty much word for word how I would describe mine. Obviously if you don't agree then you don't see the logic. There is nothing simple about it. Bush hinted at this same "flawed logic" when he said he would want to appoint a judge who would interperate the constitution without clouding that interpretation with their own personal beleifs. So throwing away those embryos is ok, using them to potentially help people is wrong? Kerry answered the woman's question, he said it wouldn't be all that different than any other medical procedure.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9543 Posts 10/08/2004 @ 10:56:51 PM
I dont know how official yahoo polls are but here		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Matt - 3941 Posts 10/08/2004 @ 11:06:34 PM
1.) The online polls are even less credible for the debates, than for any other topic. Before the VP debate the DNC sent chain e-mails out telling its members to hit all the online polls hard. I can't find the link now, but one online poll had Edwards winning 99%-1%. 2.) Your 10:32 p.m. post might be the dumbest thing I've ever read.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9543 Posts 10/08/2004 @ 11:47:22 PM
What is dumb about it? You should actually give some justification for your argument.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9543 Posts 10/08/2004 @ 11:54:58 PM
I'm also pretty sure republicans have to same access to email and the internets as dems.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - Broadcast in stunning 1080i 10/09/2004 @ 12:40:57 AM
President Bush himself would have qualified as a "small business owner" under the Republican definition, based on his 2001 federal income tax returns. He reported $84 of business income from his part ownership of a timber-growing enterprise. However, 99.99% of Bush's total income came from other sources that year. (Bush also qualified as a "small business owner" in 2000 based on $314 of "business income," but not in 2002 and 2003 when he reported his timber income as "royalties" on a different tax schedule.) [Factcheck.org; 9/23/04] ABC: Peter Jennings, 10.50: "Mr. Bush looked up and said I own a timber company? And we all sort of looked at one another and said who was right? Well it turns out Senator Kerry was right."		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - Who controls the past now controls the future 10/09/2004 @ 01:09:12 AM
Kerry explicitly said that abortion is in the constitution. Plus, the main point of the question the woman asked was about tax dollars and abortion, which Kerry never answered. I'm pretty sure that she already knew where Kerry stood on abortion, thus the question. Abortion isn't about logic, it's about the fact that once conception takes place that a new human life has been created and the terminating of that human life is the same as the terminating of any other human life, meaning it is murder and wrong. Bush voted to allow the use of those embryos that already existed, but he doesn't think that any further embryos should be created for this purpose. I don't even know what you're talking about here, "Kerry answered the woman's question, he said it wouldn't be all that different than any other medical procedure." I'm pretty sure no one cares about the Vice President candidates. Kerry and Bush are so different that people will vote based on them and not their running mates. What's you're point about the small business owner thing other than Bush didn't realize or remember that he made $80 from a timber growing enterprise? I knew the Twins were screwed when they lost game 2. They'll probably win easy tomorrow, then lose a close game 5.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Matt - 3941 Posts 10/09/2004 @ 01:22:34 AM
The right to punch someone in the face isn't talked about in the Constitution. By your logic we should err on the side that it is a right. About Kerry's "personal belief" stance on Abortion - Alex sums up my thoughts quite well. Every issue is a belief issue. It's Congress' job to make the tough decicions and balance what they believe is right and what others may believe is right. I don't know what you're talking about with the "Flawed Logic" but, with the Judges, Bush is saying he doesn't want an Activist Judge who would "find" rights in the Constitution to comply with his/her beliefs. Stem Cell Research - Bush did not ban stem cell research, he only limited Federal funding to only the lines of stem cells that had already been destroyed. Any state or private firm that wants conduct research on new lines of cells is able to do so. Anybody that wants to donate money to these causes is able to do so. Also, while Stem Cells do have good potential to cure some diseases, they are not the cure all that many believe they are. Adult Stem Cells have shown great potential (perhaps even greater than embryonic cells) without some of the potential dangers associated with the embryonic cells, and without having to destroy life. For a good article on this, and the media's lack of focus on the Adult Cells, read The Wrong Cure		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Matt - 3941 Posts 10/09/2004 @ 01:25:35 AM
I should learn to type faster.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Matt - Ombudsman 10/09/2004 @ 01:41:41 AM
Another article on stem cells from the same site, but this one is based on what was said at the debate. The Big Lie		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - 3619 Posts 10/09/2004 @ 11:17:06 AM
I'm changing my pick and going with Detroit over Atlanta. Too many injuries in the secondary for Atlanta. So I was looking at my fantasy team, and I was thinking about ditching McNair because he has sucked, then I remembered that despite the fact that we have 10 bench players we've only been alloted 2.35 moves per week and I'm ahead of that pace. Then I realized that Jeremy hadn't made any moves. I know he drafted pretty well, but I had to look at his team to see if his bench was really so good that he hadn't made a single roster move yet. I won't breakdown his roster for him because I'm not that nice, but suffice it to say that he is playing Lee Suggs this week. Oh crap, football has started. Since the Badgers don't play Michigan this year, go Minnesota!		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - I was too weak to give in Too strong to lose 10/09/2004 @ 01:16:39 PM
That was a nice play by Minnesota. 2nd and 14 from about the 30, fake the 8 yard curl and go up top for the TD. Great throw by the QB. Beltran hit a 2 run homer. I guess I don't really care who wins that series.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - You've got to trust your instinct, and let go of regret 10/09/2004 @ 01:37:17 PM
Fuuuuuummmmmmmmmmmmmble!!		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 1.21 Gigawatts!?!? 10/09/2004 @ 02:15:30 PM
I put the timber thing because that was Bush's big burn/joke of the night..remember the "I own a timber company? that's news to me" 15 minute silence "anyone want some wood?" followed by a 20 minute silence One of the things about abortion that make it such an issue is that unlike other issues where you have people on both sides and some in the middle with lots of gray area in between there isn't that same middle ground with abortion...or at least it's different in the respect that both sides can't see that gray area. If you are against it you are against it...it's a simple issue to you. It's murder, cut and dry, and you can't see how others can't see that. And there's nothing wrong with feeling like that. If you are prochoice (there's no such thing as proabortion) you see the gray area. No one likes it, but you repect that people don't all agree so leave the moral decision up to those making the decision. If you think it's murder then don't have one, if you feel you have no oher choice and can live with the moral ramifications then that is your choice. There is nothing simple about it, I would choose Sarah over our unborn child 100 percent of the time...if Sarah's in danger I should have that choice. No one disagrees with the fact that partial birth abortions are horrible even in the rhelm of something that is already horrible. However to just blanketly not allow them could rob someone of the chance to save their wife. There is nothing at all simple about it to one side and the most simple thing in the world to the other. The Twins blew their chance in game 2 you don't get the Yankee's on the ropes like that often and you have to come through. I typed all this on my pda.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - I was too weak to give in Too strong to lose 10/09/2004 @ 02:36:13 PM
Should it really be your choice to decide who lives and who dies?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - Who controls the past now controls the future 10/09/2004 @ 02:41:48 PM
I know that MLB players are very good and everything, but it bothers me when things like this happen: Houston is up 5 to 2 in the 6th, Braves still have a good chance to come back. Bases loaded two outs. A grounder to third. Anyone who has every played baseball knows that an infielder #1 priority on a ground ball is to GET YOUR BODY IN FRONT OF THE BALL AND KNOCK IT DOWN. Chipper is apparently too good for that, it's a hard hit ball, he goes for the right side glove save when he could have easily gotten in front of it, the ball takes a little higher hop then he expects and it turns into a two run double. If he would have knocked it down he may have been able to get the out at third or probably still would have had a play at first. Michigan won, that's no good. Minnesota just can't put them away.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - You've got to trust your instinct, and let go of regret 10/09/2004 @ 03:01:21 PM
That punt coverage was terrible. There were four guys in one lane.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - Robots don't say 'ye' 10/09/2004 @ 03:09:23 PM
I think it should be in those situations, or at least left up to the doctor, who probobly makes choices like that all the time. You don't think it should be a choice, that's the entire issue. Some people take that to the extreme that they don't go to doctors or take medicine because they think if it's God's will to help them he will, otherwise they were meant to die. So you could agrue the same thing that give doctors the right to help people gives me the right to help Sarah.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Matt - 3941 Posts 10/09/2004 @ 03:18:10 PM
Except, Jeremy, the ban on partial birth abortions, does allow for them when "necessary to save the life of a mother whose life is endangered by a physical disorder, physical illness, or physical injury, including a life-endangering physical condition caused by or arising from the pregnancy itself". Of course, findings have found that the procedure is never medically necessary to protect the mother's health and the procedure itself poses risks to the mother. Nontheless, the exception is in there in case a situation does arise. Furthermore, "1) A defendant accused of an offense under this section may seek a hearing before the State Medical Board on whether the physician's conduct was necessary to save the life of the mother whose life was endangered by a physical disorder, physical illness, or physical injury, including a life-endangering physical condition caused by or arising from the pregnancy itself. `(2) The findings on that issue are admissible on that issue at the trial of the defendant. Upon a motion of the defendant, the court shall delay the beginning of the trial for not more than 30 days to permit such a hearing to take place.". These quotes come from the actual bill, `Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act of 2003'		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9543 Posts 10/09/2004 @ 03:18:28 PM
And Suggs is my 3rd back, Holmes is on a bye, I've looked to make moves but there's been no one I needed.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - I believe virtually everything I read. 10/09/2004 @ 03:23:35 PM
Moore time now.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9543 Posts 10/09/2004 @ 03:43:13 PM
I never said the ban was a complete ban, I wasn't talking about the actual ban at all. All I meant was that something like that needs to be in a ban, which doesn't make it as cut and dry as people against abortion think it should be. The fact that those allowments are in the ban makes Bush's spoken position on it a bit wishy washy though don't they. The reality is I don't give a rip about abortion, I'm not going to be suckered in to voting for someone, or not voting, based on thier position on a subject no one will ever do anything about. Bush is pro life, has had 4 years and republican control of everything to do somthing about it for all the pro-life people that voted for him the first time and last I checked abortions were allowed, so why would anyone throw another vote away if that is all they are worried about? On the flip side abortion is already alowed, and no one would be able to change that, so pro-choice people shouldn't vote Kerry just for that either. It's a sucker vote on either side.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9543 Posts 10/09/2004 @ 03:51:19 PM
and.... As far as I'm concerned if those clauses are in a ban then I'm all for it. I loathe the "slippery slope" argument and unless one of those clauses is true there should never be a reason to need the procedure done that far into the pregnancy, you've had monthes to make up your mind already. Jones just got hosed, the tag wasn't within 2 feet of him.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - Ignorance is bliss to those uneducated 10/09/2004 @ 04:28:01 PM
I don't choose candidates based simply on abortion and I'm not trying to say that people should. It's just one more thing that I completely disagree on with Kerry. Twins should just lose this game and save themselves the trouble.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - I hate our freedoms 10/09/2004 @ 04:44:43 PM
If we had a better defensive first baseman two innings would be over and the Yankee's run wouldn't be on the board. I seem to remember having a better defensive first baseman.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - Robots don't say 'ye' 10/09/2004 @ 04:57:02 PM
Looks like the pack will continue their tour of semi-flop qbs in their hopes to replace Favre Green Bay - The Green Bay Packers haven't even had exploratory talks with the San Diego Chargers on quarterback Drew Brees but are considering making a run for him if he becomes available. Brees, 25, will become an unrestricted free agent after the season. The Chargers' future is rookie Philip Rivers, the fourth pick in the draft. A Chargers' source said the team would look to deal Brees by the Oct. 19 trading deadline if he wasn't starting. However, Brees has started the first four games, the Chargers are 2-2 and, if they beat Jacksonville Sunday, he probably would remain the starter Oct. 17 against Atlanta. The Chargers almost definitely will not trade Brees if he continues playing well even though they would lose him without compensation come March. Some members of the Packers' personnel department liked Brees coming out of Purdue in 2001 when the Chargers drafted him with the first pick (No. 32) of the second round. Former general manager Ron Wolf was lukewarm, saying at the time, "I think he's just average." Brees, 6 feet and 209 pounds, is the seventh-rated passer in the National Football League with a rating of 95.5. He had a rating of 73.7 in his first three seasons, when he had a 10-17 record as a starter. If the Packers could obtain Brees for a middle-round pick, they might be inclined to do it. Craig Nall is the nominal No. 2 behind Brett Favre but remains highly expendable, and J.T. O'Sullivan has had just three days of practice. "First impressions are good," offensive coordinator Tom Rossley said, referring to O'Sullivan. "It's a very similar system. He's a quick learner." The remaining portion of Brees' $1.5 million base salary this season would be assumed by a new employer. Doug Flutie, who relieved Brees when he was benched in Week 2, recently was moved to No. 3 behind Rivers.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbizzle - 3619 Posts 10/09/2004 @ 05:19:37 PM
A couple weeks ago I posted that the Packers should get Brees, although I don't think they should trade for him. Get him in the offseason. How foolish did Sheffield look?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - I was too weak to give in Too strong to lose 10/09/2004 @ 05:20:31 PM
Apparently I'm scitzophrenic because I randomly type icbizzle sometimes.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9543 Posts 10/09/2004 @ 05:25:10 PM
lol Yeah, trading for him makes no sence, it would take a month or two before he'd know the system enough to be a backup and you can get him without giving anything up, at probobly less salary later....all of which of course means Sherman pulls the trigger ASAP		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - 3619 Posts 10/09/2004 @ 05:29:27 PM
I don't doubt it. I've been trying to find a program that will let me burn a cd full of MP3s to play in my MP3 enabled stereo in my truck. The problem is they all burn in alphabetical order, which is lame. At least the 25 that I downloaded and tried did. Actually one for sure could do it, but the program sucked and I think they're are some $80 programs that can do it. Anyway, I decideded to write a little program that renames all the files in a folder with a four digit number at the beginning. This essentially allows me to burn them in a specific order. The order is randomized by the program. I'm sure know one cares, but you can get the program from the links at the bottom of my extremely sad homepage.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - No one's gay for Moleman 10/09/2004 @ 05:30:33 PM
Leeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeew		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9543 Posts 10/09/2004 @ 05:32:44 PM
It totally ignores the folder structure to go in alpha order? I just use the random feature on my stereo.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 1.21 Gigawatts!?!? 10/09/2004 @ 05:39:57 PM
By the way, I gave you a counter offer.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - 3619 Posts 10/09/2004 @ 06:16:18 PM
The random feature on the stereo isn't good enough, because you still have to pick a cd, and if the music is organized by subfolders, some cds might only have 5 or 6 different artists on it. So I wanted to randomize my whole collection. I copied all my music to one folder, no subdirectories. Then I use the program to randomize them. It's really not that special, or that particulary important, but I'm stubborn and that's how I wanted to do it. I could make it work with subfolders, but I already had it exported as a jar, created the exe, zipped it, and uploaded to my website, so I didn't feel like making that change right now since I don't need it anyway. I can't accept that offer, at least not when it's his bye week. Maybe later.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - Cube Phenomenoligist 10/09/2004 @ 06:18:02 PM
Here's a question....shouldn't the NFL have some sort of standard for punishing players? Jamal Lewis gets 2 games for pleading guilty to federal drug trafficing charges and O Smith and others get 4 games for testing positive for weed? Kenny Mixon got 2 weeks for a DUI, which pretty much anyone in Wisconsin could be picked up for on a Saterday night and Lewis gets the same punishment for a federal crime? I say BS		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - I was too weak to give in Too strong to lose 10/09/2004 @ 06:18:45 PM
This is going to really strange, but I'd like to share a recipe. These are kind of messy and annoying to make (make sure you get the mixture runny enough before you pour it) but they are really good.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9543 Posts 10/09/2004 @ 06:18:48 PM
No trade would be good until week 6 anyway.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - Robots don't say 'ye' 10/09/2004 @ 06:26:38 PM
Oh, do you mean it makes a completely random cd worth of mp3s from your entire collection?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - The pig says "My wife is a slut?" 10/09/2004 @ 06:29:03 PM
Unbeleivable......God I hate the Yankees.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - 3619 Posts 10/09/2004 @ 06:30:22 PM
Yah, if you put your entire collection into one subfolder. It just changes the filenames so I can just grab the first 160 songs and burn them using a program that burns in alphabetical order. Badgers were pretty good today. That catch by Orr was amazing. Big game next weekend.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9543 Posts 10/09/2004 @ 06:31:30 PM
It would be a sweet program if you didn't need to put all your mp3s in one folder first. Get it to recurse subdirectories and you've got something there.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - 3619 Posts 10/09/2004 @ 06:32:09 PM
I don't if it has something to do with my first credit card being a Capital One (I didn't do anything bad with it) but the offers they send me are 1/10th as good as the offers I get from different companies. Just wondering if anyone else has had the same experience.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - Ignorance is bliss to those uneducated 10/09/2004 @ 06:35:14 PM
This Purdue vs Penn State game is a good one. Should I have it put all the renamed files in one directory or just change them where they are? I'm just wondering if creating a couple thousand new files will be really slow. Renaming them takes seconds, but making copies takes longer I'm sure, but I don't know how long. Time to watch the end of this game.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9543 Posts 10/09/2004 @ 06:36:57 PM
However since my hard drive crashed in the desktop I lost alot of my mp3's, just had a cd or two worth on my laptop. So it's not as cool, if I get the time I'll start ripping my cd collection again. I have a discover card and it seems like i get less and less cash back as time goes on, but I never use it anyway. Have I mentioned I hate the Yankees?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - Super Chocolate Bear 10/09/2004 @ 06:39:32 PM
I dont know, because it wouldnt help to rename them in their existing folder, but moving them would take a long time. I think the team that scores the most runs in the next inning and a half wins.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - No one's gay for Moleman 10/09/2004 @ 07:49:44 PM
F'ing Yankees. At least there are some friendly faces on the Red Sox. I fail to see how a soprt that has the same teams in the end every year can be anyone's favorite. And is it just me or do the Red Sox and Yankees face off in about 80 of the 162 games?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Matt - 3941 Posts 10/09/2004 @ 08:30:38 PM
About the Jamal Lewis thing - What i heard was that the NFL punishment wasn't severe because the crime happened 4 years ago, before he even entered the league.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - 3619 Posts 10/09/2004 @ 08:46:35 PM
I haven't bothered to read a whole lot about it, but it doesn't seem like the crime Jamal Lewis committed was "that serious". I forget what I heard about it, but I think it was something like he never actually distributed any drugs and he wasn't financially involved. I think a lot of the facts about this whole crime have not been made public, and seems like Lewis' involvement was minor. I think cases like this need to be handled on a case-by-case bases, where as if you test positive for drugs there isn't as much variation in the crime and circumstances. For something like this that happened so long ago, 2 games seems a little on the low side but fair enough. He took the plea bargain, but still says he is innocent and I'm sure it was a mistake that he has learned from and moved on from a long time ago.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9543 Posts 10/09/2004 @ 09:50:27 PM
I'm not saying he murdered someone, but concidering it's a celeb and a plea and still 4 months in jail it must have been something.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - Super Chocolate Bear 10/09/2004 @ 10:42:44 PM
SNL just did a brilliant take off on the debates. If you missed it it featured many uses of the words internets, timber, and plan.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - 3619 Posts 10/10/2004 @ 01:34:50 AM
The SNL skit was pretty good. The fact that Lewis could have faced 10 years in jail for the charges against him and then he ends up only with 4 months tell me that it wasn't likely he would get convicted of the most serious charges. I mean he's going to jail 4 months which is pretty serious, plus missing even one game could mean a loss that causes his team to miss the playoffs, so I think 2 games is fair. Bush's laugh is quite possibly one of the funniest laughs ever.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jon - many posts 10/10/2004 @ 07:14:58 AM
When the commments turrn "political" I try not to enter iomto it for many reasons. But I will just add a few thoughts. Regarding the abortion issue controlling how one votes: Does it make it a "sucker vote"? I understand that stance on the issue and have even had similar feelings at times. However, I would disagree. Has Bush overturned abortion completely? No. Has he done anything about the issue? Yes. In fact he took action on the issue of abortion just two days after being inaugurated, through the use of an executive order. If I understand it correclty, the order dealt with preventing the use of federal funds going to international groups providing abortions and abortion lobbying. It was basically reversing action that Clinton took, which was basically reversing action that Reagan took originally. Bush has since signed the Unborn Victims of Violence Act. This bill passed the Senate 50-49. Kerry voted against it. Bush also signed into law the partial birth abortion ban - Something Kerry voted against. Secondly, Presidents appoint Supreme Court justices, which are extremly important lifetime positions. Though Roe v. Wade may not be likely to be overturned (I think the possibility does remain) there will more than likely be loads of similar cases regarding abortion and human life issues coming before the court in the future. The decision of Roe v. Wade is a large part of the abortion issue as a whole, but certainly does not cover the issue in it's entirety. How our country deals with the entire issue will be determined by our elected officials in the coming months and years. For those who regard abortion as an important isssue, regardless of what side they are on, there is clearly a Huge difference that can be made.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - You're going to have to call your hardware guy. It's not a software issue. 10/10/2004 @ 02:27:35 PM
I'm still voting for Kerry....... ....I hate the yankees....(the lowercase "y" was intentional) ....I hope the Vikings lose..... ....you smell like pea soup......		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 10/10/2004 @ 02:31:58 PM
Ed hochuly is so ripped		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 10/10/2004 @ 03:26:41 PM
Break up the Texans		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9543 Posts 10/10/2004 @ 03:45:21 PM
Nothing can be easy......		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - You're going to have to call your hardware guy. It's not a software issue. 10/10/2004 @ 04:00:57 PM
unbelievable, the vikings are so lucky..... the Badgers own the Buckeyes. 3 straight wins agains them and 3 straight wins at the Horseshoe. The Badgers are contenders this year. I went 6-1 on the 12:00 games.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 10/10/2004 @ 05:04:26 PM
Michael Vick is officially worthless. Just for the record, I want everyone to know that I never got near his bandwagon.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - Always thinking of, but never about, the children. 10/10/2004 @ 05:57:18 PM
Vick deserves some credit, but he's not as good as people make him out to be.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - No, I did not change your screen saver settings 10/10/2004 @ 09:39:57 PM
worthless was a strong word, maybe only as a fantasy player, or something. He's just not playing real well right now.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - Refactor Mercilessly 10/10/2004 @ 09:57:22 PM
This has been a retarded day in the NFL. Just look through all the box scores and see if a single one of them looks normal. Plus three overtime games and such. How does Jerry Porter have such a lame day against the Colts? I could get 100 yards and TD vs the them. Why does Kerry Collins suck? When did the Saints decide that Deuce was back? Why couldn't Shanahan just say yesterday that Griffin was out and Reuben was starting? Is that too much to ask for? Why can't the Bills win? Why did Julian Peterson, my defensive player, have to get hurt? Now I have to waste what have become extremely precious and rationed personal move on him. Why does Miami even try? How does Brady pass for 79 yards and they still win (oh wait, cause they played the half-team Miami)? Lee Evans is on the board, that's about all that I really liked about the NFL today (except on the one team where I thought about playing him I played Randy Hymes instead). And San Diego won. Bring on the NBA.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9543 Posts 10/10/2004 @ 10:10:49 PM
It was an unusual day.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 10/11/2004 @ 06:07:03 PM
and it's gonna get weirder tonight when Favre has a career night		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - I was too weak to give in Too strong to lose 10/11/2004 @ 06:16:25 PM
the game will go to overtime		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9543 Posts 10/11/2004 @ 06:45:00 PM
Career low perhaps. QB's Daunte is on pace for 5364 yards and 52 TD's...not a bad year. He's 1st in fantasy scoring despite having his bye. Stupid Holmes and getting 1st pick screws me again!		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9543 Posts 10/11/2004 @ 08:14:49 PM
Sarah's tv must be broken, because it sounds to me like the Packer fans are booing.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - 3619 Posts 10/11/2004 @ 08:44:44 PM
And by overtime, I mean I'm going to bed early. I just got back from Best Buy and it's 17-0. How am I supposed to eat supper after that disgusting score?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - So's your face 10/11/2004 @ 08:48:01 PM
Damn it! Why do i watch packer games with a viking fan? I am stupid. This game sux.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9543 Posts 10/11/2004 @ 08:50:31 PM
All I said was that Brett was getting all the credit for that pass to Driver when Driver had to make a back breaking adjustment to it. That's all I've said about anything....and I've had pleanty of opportunities to comment.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - Super Chocolate Bear 10/11/2004 @ 08:53:02 PM
That was an INT. Rediculous.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - I was too weak to give in Too strong to lose 10/11/2004 @ 08:53:52 PM
I hope that ref got paid good for that one.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - So's your face 10/11/2004 @ 08:55:52 PM
That player did lose control of that ball and did drop it for a few seconds. So suck it.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - No one's gay for Moleman 10/11/2004 @ 08:56:10 PM
No kidding...glad to see, unlike some packer fans (ahem sarah :) )... you can be objective.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - No, I did not change your screen saver settings 10/11/2004 @ 08:57:34 PM
that was possibly the worst call ever		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4671 Posts 10/11/2004 @ 08:58:49 PM
hush		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9543 Posts 10/11/2004 @ 08:58:52 PM
You didn't see the ball hit the ground period, let alone "for a few seconds"		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - On your mark...get set...Terrible! 10/11/2004 @ 08:59:24 PM
....and the vikings don't know how to close, so culp will not keep this pace up...... no, what? I mean that was a great call, he didn't have control until he slid out of bounds. i aplaud the refs on that one=)		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4671 Posts 10/11/2004 @ 08:59:54 PM
I can be objective. I can also be whiny like some viking fan i know. oh wait like every viking fan i know. i am choosing to exercise that right as of now.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - How do you use these things? 10/11/2004 @ 09:09:41 PM
Everyone officially sux		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Matt - Nutcan.com's MBL 10/11/2004 @ 09:15:02 PM
You know what sucks? ... People who use the term sux.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	Jeremy - 9543 Posts 10/11/2004 @ 09:29:46 PM
I didn't complain about a bad call at all yesterday. We shot ourselves in the foot. You know what I think is funny, I wore a Viking shirt to work today, and I decided after the 5th time I heard how "They almost choked" that from now on I'm going to take it as a compliment. Because apparently Packer fans think the Vikings are always the superior team and should always win by 50. PASS INTERFERENCE!!!!! WHO PAID THE REF!?!?!?!		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - Get Up! Get outta here! Gone! 10/11/2004 @ 09:36:33 PM
did you see al harris' feet get tangled up with the receivers'? that what I think was the reason for the non-call. nothing wrong with that call.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - Super Chocolate Bear 10/11/2004 @ 09:38:32 PM
You're joking right?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - How do you use these things? 10/11/2004 @ 09:59:21 PM
Just for the record- My rb Foster went out of the game with a broken collarbone and my wr Williams went out of the game with a sprained ankle. Then, it turns out Pollard didn't even play, but Yahoo! didn't bother to put the little o by his name so i didn't know that. that's why i have a sucky record for the week. carl is doing better than me for the week and that's just wrong.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - Pie Racist 10/11/2004 @ 10:27:30 PM
He was out, the Titans only hope is the Refs realizing they owe them about 10 points. Why are the Packers the only team smart enough to figure out if there's a close play get your ass out there and kick the extra point?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - I hate our freedoms 10/11/2004 @ 10:28:28 PM
Did Sherman challenge the wrong thing?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9543 Posts 10/11/2004 @ 10:31:18 PM
I don't know what presisely the hold up is but it just hit Sarah and I that this game is headed for like midnightish unless it really picks up the pace.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9543 Posts 10/11/2004 @ 10:40:00 PM
Wow, a huge pass setting up 1st and goal at the 3ish and coming away with 0 points. That's Viking-esq.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - Broadcast in stunning 1080i 10/11/2004 @ 10:51:49 PM
Murphy's Law hits every team once in a while, it's giving the pack a double shot tonight. How this game isn't 1210938292380934394 to 0 I don't know.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - The pig says "My wife is a slut?" 10/11/2004 @ 10:53:38 PM
Calling a screen WR pass in that situation is rediculous...although I'm not big on the "you can't run up the score" thought, come on Fish.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9543 Posts 10/11/2004 @ 10:59:36 PM
I think Sharper should stop guarenteeing things.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - You're going to have to call your hardware guy. It's not a software issue. 10/11/2004 @ 11:12:38 PM
"You're joking right?" no, I've seen worse things not called. watch the feet get tangled up before harris fell. doesn't matter now though.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - I believe virtually everything I read. 10/11/2004 @ 11:28:02 PM
Damn it, I couldn't get to Page 3 now that I finally did Al and John (first name basis again) are talking about what I was going to post about. The 3-1 Lions host the 1-4 Packers. At what point do we (the Viking fans) question who to root for? Before you bust out the cynide kool aid remember you started 2-4 last year. Also considering you guys want to take a look at Nall and this game is over why are the starters out there?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 10/11/2004 @ 11:31:58 PM
i don't know, i aint the coach..... when the vikings started out 0-4 or 5 2 years ago I started rooting for them a little bit. it's ok to root for the packers sarah, nall's gonna make a comeback and replace favre from here on out		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - Refactor Mercilessly 10/11/2004 @ 11:35:45 PM
When does college basketball start? Slowik needs to be fired immediately, as in before the next game. Sherman can finish the season, then he needs to go. Farve gets to pick the new coach or else he retires. I changed my mind, Packers should trade for Brees now if the Chargers are willing to give him up. I seriously believe that the Badgers defense could replace the current Packers defense and do better. They may not win again before the bye week, and if they don't ever stop the run they won't win again this year. The possible pass interference could have gone either way. It was incidental contact that caused Harris to trip, but he did get a little grabby as he fell down. I don't think the reply was conclusive enough to overrule the touchdown on the out-of-bounds one.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - Broadcast in stunning 1080i 10/11/2004 @ 11:41:16 PM
At what point do you guys stop the "Donald Driver is our #1" sherade? 48-27? Consider yourselves lucky it wasn't much much worse.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - On your mark...get set...Terrible! 10/11/2004 @ 11:46:09 PM
Javon Walker has over 200 more yards than Moss. All I can hope for this year now is stats. packers should lose out to get the number 1 draft pick, only to have Mike Sherman absolutely blow the pick and pick another punter or something like that. battles are won primarily in the hearts of men.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - You've got to trust your instinct, and let go of regret 10/11/2004 @ 11:57:22 PM
I'm assuming the Driver comment was sarcastic. At least I had Brown in my lineup in the Page 3 league this week, woo-hoo I guess. I had to waste my roster moves this week on a new defensive player cause mine is out for the season and a new TE because the two I have both have byes (and one hasn't played for 4 weeks). JWalker might be the only bright spot of the season. I know there's still 11 games, but it will take a complete turnaround by the defense to have any shot at anything.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - Always thinking of, but never about, the children. 10/12/2004 @ 12:01:23 AM
What would be sarcastic about it?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - Broadcast in stunning 1080i 10/12/2004 @ 12:03:25 AM
Yeah, Randy's yards are down because ref's finally remembered they are actually allowed to give him the benefit of some PI calls. That, and we have more than one receiver. ;)		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Matt - 3941 Posts 10/12/2004 @ 01:17:54 AM
Charade		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - So's your face 10/12/2004 @ 07:15:22 AM
Scott- I wouldn't be surprised, i've been predicting that for awhile. Even though I wasn't tired, I willed myself to go to sleep for the final minutes of the 3rd quarter and the whole 4th quarter. I couldn't bear to watch tit. I guess I'm as bad as the fans who were walking out of lambert early. ha! matt is right, kerry needs to undo his curse. so is this season officially a wash and do we root for the lions to beat us next week so tha they take the division?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - If you aren't enough without it, you'll never be enough with it. 10/12/2004 @ 08:03:21 AM
Donald Driver is still very much a part of the Packers receiving corps. Walker and Driver are both in the top 10 in the nfc in receptions and yards. Driver actually had more catches than walker last night.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 10/12/2004 @ 11:54:10 AM
but I do think walker is better. Feingold for Senate, because tim michaels is a vicious lier, and cuz russ is awesome		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - The pig says "My wife is a slut?" 10/12/2004 @ 05:27:46 PM
But if you don't vote for Tim Michaels then Osama will legally be allowed to shoot your mom. Did any one see that Ron Kind Packer commercial? The fact that is was shamless pandering aside all he said in it was that he was a huge packer fan then still had to say "I'm Ron Kind and I approve this message" and as for sherade I knew it didn't look right so i went to Word and it said it was a word. Oh, well.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - 3619 Posts 10/12/2004 @ 06:21:18 PM
7-7 this week, 38-36 overall.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9543 Posts 10/12/2004 @ 06:52:36 PM
Ouch...		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9543 Posts 10/12/2004 @ 07:19:33 PM
The hammy healed quickly ;)		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9543 Posts 10/12/2004 @ 08:08:30 PM
Scott will enjoy this		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9543 Posts 10/12/2004 @ 08:36:17 PM
This is easily the mosts comments for a week ever. Why doesn't anyone get on aim?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - If you aren't enough without it, you'll never be enough with it. 10/13/2004 @ 10:00:52 AM
that's hillarious		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.