NFL 2004 Season Week 4 Picks

	Jeremy - 9563 Posts 09/30/2004 @ 07:07:08 PM
I see I'm the only one to pick the Arizona upset		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - So's your face 09/30/2004 @ 07:31:52 PM
I went once again with the San Diego upset. Maybe one of these days it'll happen. "it's raining men!"		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9563 Posts 09/30/2004 @ 08:34:27 PM
I forgot about the debates and just turned them on about ten minutes ago. Has Kerry been owning Bush this bad the entire time?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4691 Posts 09/30/2004 @ 08:35:30 PM
This Bush guy is a moron.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9563 Posts 09/30/2004 @ 08:43:16 PM
Lockbox		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9563 Posts 09/30/2004 @ 08:48:32 PM
Bush needs to bring up the flip flopper issue a bit more.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4691 Posts 09/30/2004 @ 08:50:20 PM
Oh MY GOOD LORD! Hey Matt- Guess who registered to vote and who's now going to vote democrat for everything because this jackass is a moron? yea that's right- me! This guy is not a good thinker. He's like a little kid. "You can't change your mind." "Well I have to change my mind because I was wrong." "Well you can't change your mind" Great Diversion blah blah blah		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - No one's gay for Moleman 09/30/2004 @ 08:54:40 PM
Bush has alot of nerve using the phrase "speaking clearly"		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9563 Posts 09/30/2004 @ 09:12:54 PM
mmm...mmm ma maa mi mmmmi mixed messages.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - You're going to have to call your hardware guy. It's not a software issue. 10/01/2004 @ 12:42:30 AM
word		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - 3619 Posts 10/01/2004 @ 01:29:26 AM
Kerry sucks. If he would get elected and follow through on half the things he promised tonight, taxes would double, and he would be more worried about making popular "global" decisions than doing what's best for the US. Also, he first criticized the spending of $200 billion in Iraq, then later said that Bush wasn't supplying the troops with enough equipment. Does that make any sense to anyone? Anyway... NE, PHI, INDY, CLE, OAK, GB, PITT, CAR, NO, DEN, NYJ, SD, STL, BALT What a weekend for baseball!!		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Matt - Nutcan.com's MBL 10/01/2004 @ 07:41:45 AM
Bush isn't a great speaker, I think we all knew that. Fortunatly, I don't vote by how well a person speaks. Bush was right to go into Iraq. Saddam disregarded 16 UN resoultions, and was a threat. When given a 17th and final chance to comply, he failed to do so. Bush, Blair, and others decided enough was enough. If you threaten serious consequences and don't follow through, what kind of message does that send the bad guys? There is nothing wrong with diplomacy, but unless its backed up with some force, it is useless. If Kerry was President, Saddam would still be in power, benefittng from the corrupt UN-oil for food program. Fortunatly Bush is President and Saddam is gone, and the world knows that the U.S. will not take anymore crap from evil dictators. Because of this Libya has begun to disarm, and other regimes will think twice before trying to pull the wool over the eyes of the rest of the world. I know I kind of rambled there, hopefully it makes some sense. Although, what do I know...I'm not a very articulate speaker myself, so apparently, I'm a moron.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9563 Posts 10/01/2004 @ 08:02:26 AM
You also aren't trying to convice 50 million viewers to choose you for the most important position in the world. You are correct that diplomacy needs the threat of force behind it, which is why kerry voted to give Bush that leverage, but we didn't do everything possible and Saddam was not a clear enough threat to us to shoulder 90% of the work load and send people like Carl into harms way. Kerry is upset that the war cost 200 billion, but now that it's on he thinks the troops should have seen a bigger share of that. I didn't hear Kerry say anything that would effect taxes with the exception of shutting down our nuclear bunker buster program...which would lower them if anything. ps Who said what's best for the world and what's best for the US are two different things? pps Matt, you forgot about Poland.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - Super Chocolate Bear 10/01/2004 @ 08:03:47 AM
Strategery		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9563 Posts 10/01/2004 @ 08:07:28 AM
ppps By the standards that made Sadaam a threat we've got a lot of wars in our future.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - No one's gay for Moleman 10/01/2004 @ 10:02:39 AM
When are you leaving Alex? I guess better yet when do you expect to be there?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Matt - 3961 Posts 10/01/2004 @ 10:07:18 AM
What is everything possible? 12 years, 17 U.N. Resolutions and economic sanctions seems like a lot to me. More talking wouldn't have worked, especially when Saddam was making money off of France, Russia, and the oil for food program. He had been doing well for himself for years inspite of the UN's "threats". He knew the UN had no backbone and he banked on that staying the same. He wasn't going to one day wake up and say "Oh. You strenuously object. Then I'll take some time and reconsider." P.S. Jeremy, I dont know where you got that whole best for the US/best for the world thing, because I didnt say it. The truth is that the interest of the U.S. and the World are often the same, unfortunatly when it comes to things like terrorism, the U.S. has the biggest target on its back and we must be able to defend ourselves against it. P.P.S. Don't knock Poland, they've lived under the Nazis and under Communism. They know what it's like to be opressed and are giving what the can to free the Iraqi people. P.P.P.S. If more wars are needed to get rid of terrorist threats, then more are needed. But by winning in Iraq and showing the leaders of these nations that they cant win if they decide to harbor and sponsor terror, then many of these potential conflicts can be avoided.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9563 Posts 10/01/2004 @ 10:10:46 AM
I was responding to you and Alex. I think Bush made it pretty clear he doesn't care about the UN. You can't say Bush was right to ignore the UN and go to war then justify the War by saying Saddam was ignoring the UN.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9563 Posts 10/01/2004 @ 10:13:34 AM
And.....I wasnt knocking Poland, just making reference to the debate.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - I was too weak to give in Too strong to lose 10/01/2004 @ 10:17:12 AM
Ok, so it wasn't likely that Sadaam was going to invade the US anytime soon. Still he was a bad man who refused to listening to the rest of the world. We have taken 90% of the work load because we have 90% of the force and power of all the democratic countries. And it's true that if we strictly follow the same standards that led to war with Saddam there's probably a number of other countries and dictators that would qualify, but Sadaam was clearly the most well-known, most stuborn and unwilling to cooperate, and longest running threat. Hopefully making an example of Sadaam and Iraq will have an effect on other countries (such as Libya), and now the world realizes that we mean business (at least after the 17th UN resolution is ignored). Also, one of Kerry's big points seemed to be that we needed to better our diplomatic relations with other countries and he criticized Bush for not doing so well enough before we went to war in Iraq. But then he later said that he wants to bypass the 6 party talks with North Korea and open up bilateral communications with whatever that guys name is. Seems contradictory to me, and agree with Bush that keeping China involved in those talks is extremely important. Kerry is always talking way more health care, drugs for the elderly, last night he said he would create new troop divisions that wouldn't go to Iraq, he would get better and more equipment to the troops in Iraq, he would increase funding for the training of Iraqius (sp?), he wants to personally tour the globe and collect every piece of nuclear material every made (how come biological and chemical weapons were never mentioned last nigh?), those things cost money. Seeings as the US seems to be the most hated country in the world, we need to hunt down terrorists and be more concered about certain other dictators and countries more than the rest of the world. Why should France and Germany care about terrorists and nuclear weapons? If they're satisfied to sit around and throw sanctions and resolutions at countries and then not doing anyting about it when the don't listen, then fine. But the US doesn't have that luxury, therefore what's best the US is not necessarily what's best for the rest of the world.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - But let history remember, that as free men, we chose to make it so! 10/01/2004 @ 10:19:30 AM
The UN is not useful when it comes time to fight a war. They came provide humanitarian support and pass sanctions, but that's about it.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - You've got to trust your instinct, and let go of regret 10/01/2004 @ 10:20:15 AM
I think I'm meeting u guys at the church at 7.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9563 Posts 10/01/2004 @ 10:21:29 AM
Which is where getting rid of the tax cut for the rich comes it.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - 3619 Posts 10/01/2004 @ 10:26:33 AM
I doubt whether that will cover it.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Matt - Washington Bureau Chief 10/01/2004 @ 10:26:58 AM
The reason some of us don't care for the U.N. right now is that they allowed themselves to be ignored by Saddam for 12 years.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Matt - 3961 Posts 10/01/2004 @ 10:31:16 AM
So everybody should get a tax cut except the rich?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - The pig says "My wife is a slut?" 10/01/2004 @ 10:45:48 AM
First of all I meant get rid of cuts they already get, secondly to an extent, yes.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - 3619 Posts 10/01/2004 @ 10:45:56 AM
This is a less serious comment, just something my brain stumbled on. When they were talking about the war in Iraq it was brought up that the borders were not being policed effectively and more terrorist groups and such were coming into Iraq which is why fighting has stayed at the level it has and possibly increased. Now I believe Kerry first stated that as a problem, but I don't think they really talked about it too much. It seems to me though that if we are fighting a global war on terrorism that it's not such a bad thing if the terrorists are coming out of hiding and confronting us. I suppose it doesn't help the situation in Iraq, but it seems better than having to try and keep intelligence on these groups as they are scattered around and in hiding. I think maybe that's why Bush kind of let that slide by and never really responded it to it. That's more of a conspiracy theory though than it is part of why I'm voting for Bush.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9563 Posts 10/01/2004 @ 11:15:06 AM
Bush did kind of hint at that, but the same thing would have happened if we took out Osama, you know, the guy that actually attacked us.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - Who controls the past now controls the future 10/01/2004 @ 11:21:43 AM
true		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - 3619 Posts 10/01/2004 @ 11:40:08 AM
But here's another conspiracy theory. We've supposedly captured 75% of Osama's leading men. Osama himself seems to be more of the "charasmatic" (notice the quotes) leader than the real brains or brawn behind anything. So two scenarios: 1) We capture him, one of his understudies steps up and rallies around "Remember the Osamao" and a circle begins. 2) We capture his top guys, his power and skills are weakened, he becomes desperate and makes a mistake, and we crush his ring of terror. Sometimes cutting off the head of the beast kills it, and sometimes two new heads grow back. I need more ties, because apparently a white dress shirt, dark gray tie, khaki pants, and doc marten's don't go together. (I almost forgot the word shirt, lol)		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Micah - 584 Posts 10/01/2004 @ 04:53:10 PM
First of all, Osama Bin Laden is not just a figurehead. He is incredibly rich and doesn't spend any of his money on Escalades and spinner rims. Also, you are right that Kerry's programs are going to cost money. That is why you should never elect a democrat. because they will just spend and spend and then we will end up with trillions of dollars in deficits and the country will go to shit economically.....oh wait.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 10/01/2004 @ 05:02:11 PM
"The enemy attacked us" said Bush. I thought Osama was the enemy. Did Sadaam attack us? The 9/11 Commission says he didn't. Deceptive? I think so. Pitt, Indy, New England, GB, Houston, Philly, Wash, Carolina, New Orleans, Denver, NY Jets, Tenn, Baltimore I'm 29-17		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Matt - Nutcan.com's MBL 10/01/2004 @ 07:04:44 PM
Al-Qaida attacked us on 9/11, but the war on Terror isn't limited to just those who planned and executed the attack on us. While the 9/11 commission did not find any Saddam -al-qaida connection in regards to the 9/11 attacks, Saddam and his regime had ties to terrorist groups, including al-qaida. Combine these ties with the pre-war intelligence telling Bush that Saddam had WMD's and the threat of Saddam passing weapons to al-qaida had to be taken seriously.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 10/02/2004 @ 09:31:10 PM
...and freeze		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9563 Posts 10/03/2004 @ 12:28:18 AM
Perhaps all that is true, but we should have focused on Osama		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - Resident Tech Support 10/03/2004 @ 01:01:56 AM
and Moss got fined, was it legit?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Matt - 3961 Posts 10/03/2004 @ 08:06:04 AM
While the media may have "lost focus" on Afghanistan and Osama because of the Iraq war, that doesn't mean Bush did. Kerry may say that Iraq hurt the war in Afghanistan, but I believe Gen. Franks has said differently. As far as I've heard, the military commanders for Afghanistan have recieved all the troops that they said they needed.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - If you aren't enough without it, you'll never be enough with it. 10/03/2004 @ 12:54:01 PM
so the packers are playing right now		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - You're going to have to call your hardware guy. It's not a software issue. 10/03/2004 @ 01:19:59 PM
this is the worst game EVER		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 10/03/2004 @ 01:23:44 PM
anyone just watch the play of the Bills punter? he fumbled the snap and then ran about 30 yards for a 1st down. Unbelievable		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - Get Up! Get outta here! Gone! 10/03/2004 @ 01:43:59 PM
ok, Favre, unbelievable. That is one for the ages		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - If you aren't enough without it, you'll never be enough with it. 10/03/2004 @ 02:47:54 PM
i was referring to the TD he threw after being knocked out of the game, but I think he went out without the coaches and doctors realizing it. I hope he's ok.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - But let history remember, that as free men, we chose to make it so! 10/03/2004 @ 02:53:10 PM
Where's Couch??		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - If you aren't enough without it, you'll never be enough with it. 10/03/2004 @ 03:14:23 PM
on the davenport, haha, funny		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9563 Posts 10/03/2004 @ 07:12:15 PM
Here's a question, what the hell were the coaches thinking going for it in that situation? Even though Favre ran out and did what he wanted coaches be damned and threw the TD they were already going for it with Pederson. The end result doesn't justify the awful decision.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - If you aren't enough without it, you'll never be enough with it. 10/03/2004 @ 07:20:19 PM
what was the point of that comment? I dislike Mike Sherman as a coach. wow, arizona won, didn't see that coming		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 10/03/2004 @ 07:26:09 PM
the wind was nasty, and the giants kicker missed 3 fg's that normally would be gimmies, so maybe that's why they went for it. I think it was a pretty ok (quite agressive)decision, in a scoreless game. Who cares, they scored on that play, but lost the game, should have brought Nall in earlier, hope Favre will be back next week.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - Pie Racist 10/03/2004 @ 08:08:38 PM
There was only 1 miss at the time and the pack needed points. Even if you ARE going for it you go for the 5 yards, not the endzone. Add to that the fact that they had decided to go for it when they were struggling to get yards and without Favre and it was just dumb as hell.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - On your mark...get set...Terrible! 10/03/2004 @ 08:56:08 PM
the going for the endzone part probably wasn't part of the game plan. Favre went out there most likely against the will of the coaches (without realizing he was even out there) and may have called that play himself. He says he doesn't even remember that he did it. That was the definition of a freak occurance.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - I hate our freedoms 10/03/2004 @ 09:32:22 PM
That could be the case. Nall needs to be the backup.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - 3619 Posts 10/03/2004 @ 10:18:19 PM
Judging from the way Farve celebrated, I think he thought he just won the Super Bowl.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - I believe virtually everything I read. 10/03/2004 @ 11:00:43 PM
Switchfoot is on ESPN's Ultimate Highlight		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - How do you use these things? 10/04/2004 @ 03:50:13 PM
So we got rid of McKenzie. Good. He was trouble anyway. We picked up another QB. Here's my theory that I have now told Jeremy, Jon, and Matt. Favre is hurt. Pederson is hurt. Nall starts next week against the Titans on national television. He has a spectacular game, completely annihilating the Titans. Favre never plays again. The End. How sad would that be? His career would come full circle? It just can't end that way. Ok, so about McKenzie, we got a QB and a draft pick. Now we can right the ship and not have chaos. Oh, Micheal Bennett reinjured his knee and is out for 2 more weeks. That's about it, I need to keep working on my resume.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - Refactor Mercilessly 10/04/2004 @ 06:00:44 PM
Farve will play, I've never heard of J.T. O'Sullivan but even just to get a 2nd round pick alone out the situation would have been pretty good. Of course, I now have to root against the Saints every game, but they deserve it for losing to Arizona anyway. The Packers have a good history of getting QBs who end up having decent careers elsewhere (although not so much this managment), so maybe JT has got game. O'Sullivan is an unacceptable name however and I'm going to call him JTO from now on. Seeings as how he can't stay healthy, I guess it's good for Bennett that he left college after starting only 1 year and got paid. Not so good for the Vikings and the one FF team I have him on.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - Refactor Mercilessly 10/04/2004 @ 06:14:49 PM
Bonds factoid of the day: Draw so many walks that even if he'd gotten no hits all season, he still would have had a higher on-base percentage (.391), counting just his walks and hit-by-pitches, than the guy who led the National League, Juan Pierre (.374). My team has sucked this week, so I'll be looking for 150 yards and 3 TDs from Jamal Lewis tonight.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9563 Posts 10/04/2004 @ 08:11:52 PM
Bennett has better numbers than Robert Smith did at the same point, so he's not as big of a bust so far that people make him out to be. Plus it's not like he got injured "again" it's all the same injury, they rushed him a bit and it backfired, he should have sat out 2 more weeks anyway.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - You're going to have to call your hardware guy. It's not a software issue. 10/04/2004 @ 09:38:31 PM
he should have stayed at wisconsin another year		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9563 Posts 10/04/2004 @ 10:15:03 PM
He should have double bagggkgrkloijijiijioijijgged it.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - I don't need to get steady I know just how I feel 10/05/2004 @ 12:03:28 AM
I didn't say he was a bust, I just meant that the Vikings would be better off right now if he was healthy. I don't player hate on Badgers alumni. I have no idea what that last comment is about. KC's offensive line dominated tonight, 4 sure. Playoffs start tomorrow, who can the Yankees lose to this year I wonder? 9-5 this week, 31-29 total. Breaking .500 for the first time. I'd consider trading a RB for a WR if anyone is interested. Big games Saturday, Minn vs Mich and Wis vs OSU. Sweet they're back to back, I guess I know what I'm doing all day.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9563 Posts 10/05/2004 @ 06:51:06 AM
That was my impression of Favre's brain slipping out of gear mid sentance.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - You're going to have to call your hardware guy. It's not a software issue. 10/05/2004 @ 04:55:21 PM
i went 8-6, and Favre is back next week on monday night, something		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 10/07/2004 @ 12:00:02 PM
update! i have no life		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 10/07/2004 @ 04:51:10 PM
seriously		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 10/08/2004 @ 10:43:59 AM
ummmm....guys?......yeah, it's ummmm...Friday....just in case you forgot.....the NFL didn't decide to skip this week or anything. So if you could go right ahead and take care of that right away, that would be great		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.