NFL 2004 Season Week 2 Picks

	Jeremy - 9563 Posts 09/16/2004 @ 06:35:34 PM
Is McKenzies hold out the most pathetic thing ever? He misses one check and folds?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 09/16/2004 @ 10:14:49 PM
Jon, the over-under comment......gold. The McKenzie thing.....I think was waiting until they played the first game and was going to come out and make a statement, but then the Packers came out and Dominated the Panthers and McKenzie's like, "oh crap, now this just looks desperate", but he came out anyway (of his holdout, not the closet. this is how rumors start.) I like the fact that he's back. I couldn't imagine playing teams like the Colts or the Vikings or the Eagles with Al Harris and Michael Hawthorne as the only guys with experience at cornerback. Apparently Grady Jackson isn't hurt as bad as originally thought. The first prediction was that he'd miss up to 2 months, but now they're saying it could be as little as 2 weeks. That's good news for the Packers. Acquiring Grady Jackson last yeaer very much solidified a struggling run defense. Hopefully the Packers can survive without him for a couple weeks. The Bears are this weeks victims of the BEST offensive line in the NFL blocking one of the best backs in the NFL. Seriously, the Bears lost to the Lions (well, so did the Packers last year), this game could get ugly. Packers 38, Bears 13. Eagles in a close one, 29-24		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9563 Posts 09/16/2004 @ 11:24:37 PM
But for all we know at this point the lions are this years carolina and carolina is last years raiders.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 09/17/2004 @ 12:03:22 AM
I guess. It is too early to tell anything, so you could be right. But then again the Cowboys could be this years Patriots, or the Patriots could be next year's Texans (make sense? ok good)		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jon - 3463 Posts 09/17/2004 @ 01:00:15 AM
Huh...all this time I thought it was Al Harris that was holding out. That last sentence was the funniest thing I have ever written. Ok that's probably exaggeration. But hopefully Jeremy thought it was funny...and hopefully Sarah is right now quesitoning how it is that she can even share a website with someone who can't tell the two apart.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 09/17/2004 @ 09:12:40 AM
They both have rediculously long hair. I approve of the funniness.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4691 Posts 09/17/2004 @ 09:53:56 AM
Jon.... I've explained this to you. Mckenzie is on the right and harris is on the left. come on now. geez		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4691 Posts 09/17/2004 @ 09:55:13 AM
My special edition copy of the sims 2 is right now heading towards hodgkins illinois. i am thinking i'll get it monday. i am very excited, except i really don't have time to play it, maybe i should just drop out of school.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4691 Posts 09/17/2004 @ 11:11:54 AM
"And that's a pretty tough Packers team -- even tougher now that Vanilli has ended his holdout. " Bill Simmons cracks me up when he's not being a sexist pig.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - No one's gay for Moleman 09/17/2004 @ 01:38:17 PM
I can't say I get the Joke...but I do know it is unforgivable to confuse another teams cornerbacks...even if they are the same person... ps working sucks...find me a new job		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 09/17/2004 @ 05:06:27 PM
"one on the right...one on the left" That's hillarious. Man, Page 3 is on a roll this week!!!		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - On your mark...get set...Terrible! 09/17/2004 @ 05:07:12 PM
also, doesn't al harris have a tinted face shield.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Anon. Nut Can Fan (Guest) 09/18/2004 @ 07:10:37 AM
unbelievable		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9563 Posts 09/18/2004 @ 10:13:20 AM
Working sucks. I've been a working stiff for like 3 months now and 10 am is officially "sleeping in" on weekends.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - I hate our freedoms 09/18/2004 @ 02:12:58 PM
Welve been dress shopping for Bret and Steph's wedding for like 2 hours		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	scott - If you aren't enough without it, you'll never be enough with it. 09/18/2004 @ 03:46:07 PM
10am has always been sleeping in for me, somewhat put up a running back chart while you are at it too		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	scott - 6225 Posts 09/19/2004 @ 11:55:21 AM
almost gametime		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - So's your face 09/19/2004 @ 01:20:37 PM
I'm not worried.... yet		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 09/19/2004 @ 01:26:53 PM
man, the Bears are getting so lucky. They've done next to nothing but the Packers are giving it up. That interception from favre was an unbelievable catch by the saftey.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4691 Posts 09/19/2004 @ 02:41:14 PM
um i don't feel so well		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - So's your face 09/19/2004 @ 02:56:13 PM
It's official, i'm going to be ill		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	scott - Get Up! Get outta here! Gone! 09/19/2004 @ 02:57:29 PM
what a crappy, uncharacterstic game by the packers defense. they could not stop the bears. not to mention the 2 gifts from green's fumble and then favre's last interception. but there's still time left.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - How do you use these things? 09/19/2004 @ 03:02:17 PM
Is Craig Hentrich quarterbacking?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - How do you use these things? 09/19/2004 @ 03:11:06 PM
I just don't understand it at all		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	scott - 6225 Posts 09/19/2004 @ 03:16:46 PM
boy do the packers miss grady jackson now.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - How do you use these things? 09/19/2004 @ 07:15:23 PM
I bought the stat tracker. i couldn't stand it any longer, i need live stats! so stay tuned, we'll be setting something up so everyone can check in and see how they're doing.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9563 Posts 09/19/2004 @ 09:00:16 PM
Dallas Opponent QB Rating: Week 1: 147.1 Week 2: 0		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - On your mark...get set...Terrible! 09/19/2004 @ 09:38:22 PM
and cleveland still managed 12 points?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbizzle - Ignorance is bliss to those uneducated 09/19/2004 @ 10:00:53 PM
I was unable to watch the game, but I listened to some of it on the radio. As far as I can tell A) The Packer's defense sucked. B) Farve sucked and the receivers dropped half the passes he didn't overthrow. C) The game was pretty much decided by one play. If Green scores instead of coughing up the rock, it's a 17-14 win (okay, that's assuming the rest of the game goes the same, but at that point it's 10-3 and the Packers probably win). Every since Reggie White retired, the Packers have never been able to put together much of a defensive line. Since they can't seem to draft anyone worth anything (besides Holliday), it will probably take a big name free agent to change things up (preferably someone who doesn't get hurt, I won't name names). Ok, now I have to hit up ESPN.com and see what else happened today.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - I was too weak to give in Too strong to lose 09/19/2004 @ 10:08:26 PM
Santana continues to be untouchable. If he pitches that well into the postseason...		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - I hate our freedoms 09/19/2004 @ 10:51:03 PM
Matt, Jon, and I we're at the game today, Santana was a machine.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Cory 09/19/2004 @ 11:18:53 PM
daaaaaaaa bears da bears da bears da bears da bears		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - If you aren't enough without it, you'll never be enough with it. 09/19/2004 @ 11:19:06 PM
actually, favre didn't play that bad, other than the last int he didn't do much wrong. Favre's first int wasn't really that bad of a play. It was a bomb that Mike Brown made a spectacular diving catch on. The key play was definitely greens fumble. But the Packers could not stop the bears running game. that I think was the biggie.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - You're going to have to call your hardware guy. It's not a software issue. 09/19/2004 @ 11:19:54 PM
oh, and I went 11-4 so far this week on my yahoo! pick'em league.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 09/20/2004 @ 08:04:56 AM
page 3 is so slow now		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - You're going to have to call your hardware guy. It's not a software issue. 09/20/2004 @ 02:39:56 PM
is the "points" column for the current week?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9563 Posts 09/20/2004 @ 05:45:09 PM
Yea, It's current		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - I was too weak to give in Too strong to lose 09/20/2004 @ 07:19:28 PM
With a 7 team league it's ridiculous that we have a combined 8 starting players in one game. Since that's the case, I hope both QB's get injured and then the backups get into a shootout, and the Eagles triple team Moss so Gus has to throw to Robinson all the time. Don't rule out the Panthers and Jake just yet. That division is weak: Tampa Bay 0-2, Deuce is hurt, how far can Vick take the Falcons? Plus, Foster showed that his success last year wasn't a fluke. Could KC be any worse? I'm thinking about going and trying out for WR for them since they have basically no one (healthy anyway). And the defense is at least as bad as last year. Baltimore rebounded nicely. Jacksonville, Atlanta, and the Jets are looking to shift the power within their divisions. Pending the outcome of tonight's game, the closest division battles (it's only Week 2, I know) look like the NFC East (if Eagles lose), NFC North (if Vikings lose), AFC North, and AFC West. Wisconsin pulled out a close win Saturday. I was willing to give them a few weeks, but they need to get the offense rolling now, 4 sho.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbizzle - Who controls the past now controls the future 09/20/2004 @ 08:06:17 PM
Is it just me or is Madden really starting to look old?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - Ma'am, can you make sure your computer is turned on? 09/20/2004 @ 09:27:55 PM
wooooo! culpepper fumbled, i'm surprised they didn't review that, but it wouldn't matter, he didn't get in!!! (start debate now)		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - Ma'am, can you make sure your computer is turned on? 09/20/2004 @ 09:51:53 PM
good call on the mcnabb reception		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 09/20/2004 @ 10:34:04 PM
that ball was uncatchable, but the shove by moss was unecessary, so I don't know if it was a good call or not. Man, the vikings are shooting themselves in the foot with penalties.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9563 Posts 09/20/2004 @ 10:46:14 PM
If by shooting themselves in the foot you mean there have been like 3 phantom calls that either took points off the board for the vikes or added for the eagles then i agree. Oh, and TO almost caught that touchdown....good call refs. I'm not saying Daunte didn't fumble that, but the fact that 90% of his body was in the endzone combined with the fact that the ball was a nanometer away not even drawing a review just shows you how awfully one sided the officials have been. Thanks to the officials for starting the screw job early so I don't have to get my hopes up.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - Cube Phenomenoligist 09/20/2004 @ 10:49:18 PM
The refs just threw a flag that would help the vikes...then they saw it might help them so they picked it up.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	scott - 6225 Posts 09/20/2004 @ 11:07:09 PM
the vikes could have challenged the call, but they chose not to		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	scott - You're going to have to call your hardware guy. It's not a software issue. 09/20/2004 @ 11:16:30 PM
I too was surprised that daunte's fumble didn't get reviewed, but it wouldn't have been overturned anyway.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - On your mark...get set...Terrible! 09/20/2004 @ 11:36:24 PM
complaining about the refs, eh. and the lions are in first place.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - 3619 Posts 09/20/2004 @ 11:43:39 PM
Don't even try to blame the refs. I'll admit that I was surprised when they ruled TO caught the ball, because I didn't even think it was close to a catch when I first saw it. But 100% of the blame for that falls on the Vikings for not challenging the call. I mean seriously, whoever they have in the booth watching the replay needs to be fired immediately. Tice threw the flag twice just to talk the officials (is that legal?), but he didn't whip it out on that play? Secondly, the referees upstairs where actually watching the game (hey there's an idea) when they didn't stop play for 5 minutes just so they could watch the replay 20 more times. The percentage of his body in the endzone has nothing to do with, it was clear after watching the replay once or twice (which takes about 20 seconds) that it wasn't a TD and wouldn't be overruled. The only thing I can remember that was may be a legit screwing, was on the play where there was a flag downfield but then Culpepper got sacked. I'm not sure what the flag was for, but it was probably defensive holding and I'm guessing they ruled that it was after the sack. However, on the very next play I don't how in the world it wasn't intentional grounding when Culpepper was pretty much exactly in the middle of the field, with a Eagle pulling him down, and then he just chucked in downfield landing not within 15 yards of a Viking. I think that was maybe a makeup call. Regardless, the Vikings couldn't do anything on defense, and there was always at least one Eagle in Culpepper's face, particularly in the second half. The way the Eagles are playing right now, they'll be tough to beat if they stay healthy. Kearse had a great game (even if it was against the backup lineman) but he has a history of injuries. They also aren't very deep at running back. But all in all they looked very good, while the Vikings looked a lot like they did last year. Culpepper should do some hand strenght exercises. 70 fumbles in 60 games or something like that.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - I believe virtually everything I read. 09/21/2004 @ 12:11:11 AM
ESPN couldnt even cue up the replay before the extra point. The eagles scored the first td after a bogus pass interfernce call, the vikes had one called back on a non existsnt hold, and the moss offensive PI was a sack of crap, the ball was uncatchable and it was just as much defensive since you cant stop in front of a WR. I can complain all I want if we can have 20 posts about a legit facemask call in the packer game last week.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Micah - 584 Posts 09/21/2004 @ 08:33:31 AM
Lions 21, Eagles 20		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - If you aren't enough without it, you'll never be enough with it. 09/21/2004 @ 08:41:25 AM
that's all I wanted to hear=)		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - On your mark...get set...Terrible! 09/21/2004 @ 08:57:00 AM
the thing is I guess, that every single call seems to be slanted in an evil plot to make the vikings lose. The Packers were victims of 2 15-yard facemask penalties in the carolina game that were AT BEST 5 yarders and each cost the packers a touchdown. But I'm just glad we can agree that we are both allowed to complain about the refs, even if they don't actually decide the outcome of the game.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - Ma'am, can you make sure your computer is turned on? 09/21/2004 @ 10:39:38 AM
and I went 12-4 this week on my Yahoo! pickem, and last week I went 9-7, so that puts me at 21-11 overall. I'm in first place=)		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - 3619 Posts 09/21/2004 @ 06:13:53 PM
I'm 13-19.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbizzle - 3619 Posts 09/22/2004 @ 06:19:56 PM
Ichiro!! had 5 hits last night, for the fourth time this year. That's silly.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.