NFL 2004 Season Week 15 Picks

	Scott - 6225 Posts 12/15/2004 @ 09:32:30 PM
What Packer fans are sick of Peyton Manning talk?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - So's your face 12/15/2004 @ 10:59:00 PM
I'm sick of Peyton Manning, but don't pick on me because I am a Packer fan. Have you ever seen Brett Favre play?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9543 Posts 12/15/2004 @ 11:00:58 PM
Yeah, he's really lit it up the last couple of games.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - As Seen On The Internet 12/15/2004 @ 11:09:02 PM
I've overheard many people talking about it by the way. Then they start talking about how Randy Moss drives over several school children as his pregame ritual...so they must be Packer fans...or stupid....although there is a fine li.......ok I'm done.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9543 Posts 12/15/2004 @ 11:42:14 PM
Take a look at what would happen if the playoffs started now. Here. You gotta like your chances over in the NFC. It's also kind of scary how not too unrealistic an NFC championship between the Packers and Vikings is. I can see it now, in a game that big the BFR would be enforced at least 12 times.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jon - 3443 Posts 12/16/2004 @ 12:27:03 AM
Vikings Falcons it is!		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - How do you use these things? 12/16/2004 @ 08:51:47 AM
I would be all for that, but only if the Packers won, because i f they didn't, I would never hear the end of it.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 12/16/2004 @ 09:08:03 AM
ah yes, the Brett Favre rule keeps getting funnier and funnier, and the people who bring it up keep getting funnier and funnier. But we all know that the Vikings would choke on something, like they do every year.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - Refactor Mercilessly 12/16/2004 @ 01:34:15 PM
I propose a new rule that anything that has been commented on over 50 billion times be taboo from here on out. Unless Peyton Manning runs into injury problems, there's no doubt in my mind that he will be the best QB ever. I love the no huddle and all the audibles and all that. It takes so much preperation and knowledge of the game and it puts so much pressure on him. How can you not have mad respect for that?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 12/16/2004 @ 02:05:32 PM
freedom of the press...freedom of the press Manning is awesome. He is definitely benefitting from the rule changes favoring the receivers and the offense, but that doesn't take away from his performance. Maybe this is football's era of the "live ball".		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 12/16/2004 @ 05:43:00 PM
Question of the Week: Is Ben Roethlisberger overrated?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - 3619 Posts 12/16/2004 @ 05:50:58 PM
Yes and No. He's very good at doing what the Steelers need him to do. Put him on a team that can't run for 200 yards every game, and who knows. I think the Colts against the Lions and Bears were more of locks then New England against Miami. Division games are always tough, and Miami has scored more lately, although their defense seems to have given up as well.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - So's your face 12/16/2004 @ 09:33:16 PM
Peyton drives me crazy with his stupid audibiling (sp) and wing flapping.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - Robots don't say 'ye' 12/16/2004 @ 09:58:08 PM
But Peyton is the closest to old school Terry "I called my own plays" Bradshaw as there is now-a-days. I don't know if he will be the best ever (or at least considered the best because for some rediculous reason your team has to win a super bowl for a QB to be considered great). During the offseason teams will realize how to stop Big Ben and he will go through a sophomore slump. It's hard to tell if he is good or not because his job is to just not lose the game, although so is Tom Brady's and he's considered top 5.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 1.21 Gigawatts!?!? 12/16/2004 @ 10:03:34 PM
By the way the reason I said I don't know if they can win the super bowl it's because giving 2 players half the salary cap will start to take it's toll on the team, since most contracts are back loaded. So it's this year, or very soon, or never.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - I don't need to get steady I know just how I feel 12/16/2004 @ 10:27:27 PM
The contracts are back loaded, but the salary cap also usually rises every year. Plus there seems to be about 1 million little loop holes and tricks to make things work. Obviously with the offensive line starting to get more attention and a couple emerging d-linemen they won't be able to keep the team together completely. But no team can really do that, so as long as Manning is at the controls, getting wiser game-by-game, and Harrison is there to draw double teams their offensive should keep rolling. Plus I bet they'll resign James, who makes the play-action pass that much more effective. I think their chances of winning it this year are as good as anyone elses. In regards to the "live ball era" comment I'll whip out some info from the latest edition of The Magazine which has an article on Manning. First of all, live ball or not, he's going to easily break the record for TDs and still has a chance at the yardage record. Secondly, the biggest number for QBs is passer rating. And right now Mannings rating is 126.3, 13.5 points better then the season record. But it may seem like QB stats are up in general this year. So compare Mannings rating to the season average for everyone else. Through 12 weeks the average rating was 83.7, which is the highest ever. Still Mannings rating of 126.6 was 51.2% higher. That's the highest percentage difference since 1976 when Bert Jones (never heard of him) and Ken Stabler both topped the 50% mark. So basically, he's the man. I still don't know how the Patriots win, and obviously no one else does cause they can't beat them (except the Steelers who seem to be almost a clone, except the Patriots running backs basically stunk until this year). Lots of baseball transactions lately. Arizona has reloaded somewhat and could have a decent future is they deal the Unit for prospects. The Mariners loaded up with Big Sexy and Beltre. The Braves bolstered their pitching staff with Kolb and now Tim Hudson. Pedro is a Met, Renteria and D. Wells are Red Sox. Crazy stuff. I'm going to get my hopes up and predict a .500+ season for the Brewers. I think Lee will help a lot. So will having a catcher that hits better than -.005. Podsednik's base stealing probably isn't replaceable and they'll have to fing someone to take Kolb's spot, but I'm sure they're not done making moves yet.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - 3619 Posts 12/16/2004 @ 10:34:37 PM
I completely forgot to mention the Apprentice. First of all, THAT WAS NOT A DEBATE. I hate it when they say that. Andy was stuck between two screaming females, any man who has argued with a female knows that it's not a debate. Debates have logic and rules and people taking turns talking. Secondly, this season was not as good as the first. I can't really explain it it just wasn't. Thirdly, the cheesy outtakes where Trump pretends to be on the phone with someone important are horrifically amusing (meaning really cheesy). How did they not get edited out? Fourthly, it was very close between Jen and Kelly. To place it in sports terms, as prospects I think Kelly is more prepared to step in and start but I think Jen had the better upside and potential in the long run. Which I suppose is a good reason to hire Kelly now.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	Cory - 44 Posts 12/16/2004 @ 10:38:17 PM
I hate baseball... give the world series trophy to the yankees		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - The pig says "My wife is a slut?" 12/16/2004 @ 11:10:07 PM
Sarah and I said the same thing about Andy when he was fired and about 50 times tonight. The two women were screaming back and foreth, hardly even getting words out, and at a certain point Andy just stopped trying to get a word in edgewise and somehow that was getting "out debated". I didn't see the beginning of the finale, so I don't know how the events played out, but going off of the whole season I think tonight was one of very few correct decisions Trump made this season. When Jen got the credit for doing the best job at Levi's I just wanted to strangle that Levi's exec. She contributed nothing, it was Ivana's baby, he threw out a question and Jen, who only turns it on to impress higher ups, "intercepted" the question and ineptly stumbled threw it as if it were her idea, or even a group effort. She was all board room and deserved to go home way before some of the other people. And yes, like anything else, the sequal is never as good. I bet as far as season 3 goes, where for those of you who don't know, the twist is it's book smarts vs street smarts. College educated vs. people who just did it and became sucessful. Who want's to bet Trump fires the "street smart" (A term made up by dumb people by the way) person every time (once the teams are inevitably mixed) even though it was probobly his idea to pit the teams up against each other anyway. I also bet we don't see season 4. Or shall I say the series will go until season 25, but wont be profitable past next year.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	icbeast - I was too weak to give in Too strong to lose 12/17/2004 @ 01:45:02 AM
Trump's idea to make the teams? As if he makes those decisions. It's all Mark Burnett or whatever his name is.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	Jeremy - Pie Racist 12/17/2004 @ 07:13:07 AM
It was a stupid decision so I just assumed it was him. No, really I'm sure it wasn't but I'm betteing that Trump chooses the college people every time.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	Sarah - How do you use these things? 12/17/2004 @ 08:57:30 AM
Did trump go to college? Remember, Troy got pretty far in the first season.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jon - infinity + 1 posts 12/17/2004 @ 09:47:52 AM
Yes. He went to Wharton. As did Charles C. Butt, Chairman and President of the HEB grocery company.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	Sarah - How do you use these things? 12/17/2004 @ 09:52:31 AM
Good to know.... also good to know... NFL FILMS TELLS THE COMPLETE STORY OF A FOOTBALL LEGEND IN "FAVRE 4-EVER" ONE-HOUR SPECIAL NARRATED BY ACTOR BILLY BOB THORNTON -Premiering Friday, December 24 @ 12:00 p.m. (CT) On FOX -Re-airs Friday, December 31 @ 8:00 p.m. CT On NFL Network 2 Hours before the packer viking game, this is going to be seen across the U.S. of A. Merry Christmas!		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 12/17/2004 @ 10:17:33 AM
God Bless America		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Matt - Washington Bureau Chief 12/17/2004 @ 10:23:25 AM
Charles C. Butt is the son of Howard E. Butt, for those who are interested. Also, it's technically H-E-B Grocery Company, and they are a top notch grocery store.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	Jon - 1 bajillion posts 12/17/2004 @ 11:04:47 AM
It seems like Packer fans have a hard enough time drawing the line betwween sports and religion. Now a tv special for St. Brett will air on Christmas Eve Day?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 12/17/2004 @ 11:09:59 AM
ha......I think		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - So's your face 12/17/2004 @ 11:52:05 AM
football is life		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 12/17/2004 @ 01:43:27 PM
well, it's a part of life at least.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - How do you use these things? 12/17/2004 @ 03:53:59 PM
Who wants to go get their graduating on?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jon - many posts 12/17/2004 @ 04:00:12 PM
Capstone Completed.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4671 Posts 12/17/2004 @ 04:44:12 PM
You finished it today? In the nick of time? Bravo		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4671 Posts 12/17/2004 @ 04:47:40 PM
John Clayton- The last time a conference was as down as the NFC is this year was in the late 1970s. Remember the dark ages of the NFC Central? From 1978 until the Chicago Bears emerged into a big-time team in 1984, the NFC Central was a parody of NFL parity. Only once from 1978 to 1983 did an NFC Central division winner have a 10-win season. In 1978, the Vikings and Packers tied for the division lead at 8-7-1. Ah the NFC Central. :)		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - So's your face 12/17/2004 @ 04:48:37 PM
I should've kept reading.... what a jerk. :( "What happened? Why it is so bad? Using the First ... And 10 format, it's time to review the carnage known as the NFC. It's hard to call it First-and-10, though. The NFC looks more like Fourth-and-26."		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - Who controls the past now controls the future 12/17/2004 @ 05:21:54 PM
Either that means the NFC looks like the Eagles (?) or the NFC looks like they're about to pull out an amazing comeback. Either way, it really makes no sense. The Nets just made what I'd call one of the worst trades ever. They got Vince Carter for Alonzo Mourning, Eric Williams, Aaron Williams, and 2 first round picks (one from Denver and one from Philly). I should probably investigate more about the financial situation of New Jersey, but trading 3 decent role players (and all big guys) and 2 first round picks for one disgruntled, injury-prone flash in the pan does not seem like a good move. But I don't like them anyway so that's good.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - Broadcast in stunning 1080i 12/17/2004 @ 05:42:28 PM
Basketball sucks. Seeing Jon say "St. Brett" warms my heart. I'm not the only bitter one here after all. Maybe the records suck in the NFC because every team is pretty GOOD in the NFC. Has that ever crossed anyone's mind?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - Refactor Mercilessly 12/17/2004 @ 06:53:11 PM
the AFC's record against the NFC 35-19		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Micah - 584 Posts 12/17/2004 @ 07:42:15 PM
How can you hate Peyton Manning? Hes having the best season ever. Youre probably just jealous of his cleft lip. If you don't like Mannings on the field audibles and the like, you should take a look at how ridiculous Favre looks when he hands the ball off and then jumps in the air and fakes a pass. Like they have ever done a play action pass where he throws it like that. But Manning will not be the best QB ever. Actually, he won't even be the best Colts QB. The Colts will not win the super bowl because of what wins ballgames. The Patriots win because they have a great defense, a great QB, and a great coach. The Yankees will not win the world series (see Miracle...All Star teams will get beat by the Russians) The Apprentice sucks...so does the NFC Congrats to all graduates		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - Always thinking of, but never about, the children. 12/17/2004 @ 08:08:20 PM
The AFC has done better in the interconference games yes. But Im saying the fact that alot of teams are even in the NFC doesn't mean they are bad like people are saying. Even means they're even, not good or bad.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - Resident Tech Support 12/18/2004 @ 12:12:31 AM
I don't get what people have against Manning. He's a clever qb, sounds dumb as a rock when you hear him talk, but that doesn't change the fact that he's a very intelligent player. Sure his audibling is annoying, but it works. Dan Marino audibled a lot too, and look what that did for him. And seriously, the Brett Favre hand off and fake the pass thing is pretty funny I think, pretty much because he just came up with that himself, or from his dad. I mean, why not do something like that. It probably won't affect the defense any, but it can't hurt.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 12/18/2004 @ 12:13:48 AM
and I thought the St. Brett comment was a term of endearment.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4671 Posts 12/18/2004 @ 12:15:13 AM
He just audibles every play, so it's kind of annoying. Also, his receivers should be gettin' some props, because they'll break some tackles or whatnot and run 40 yards after the catch to get him his dang tds. Other times though, they're just throwing in the red zone just to give him the stupid record. They always run up the score on people. I don't know if I have a problem with that, but some people do.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - I was too weak to give in Too strong to lose 12/18/2004 @ 12:38:40 AM
These guys work all year for a 16 game regular season. So they deserve to run up the score if they want to. Plus, sometimes close loses are worse than blowouts pschologically. And their defense was pretty poor, especially early on, so they needed a big lead. I don't think they pass in the red zone to get him the record. They're just trying to score. Some teams don't want to pass in the red zone because they don't trust their QBs to not throw picks, but Manning doesn't seem to get fooled or make bad decisions or bad throws very often so why not. To have as good of season as he has, you definetly need to give credit to the rest of the offense. James has been awesome, Harrison a top 5 WR, Stokely would probably be at least the number 2 guy on a lot of teams, and they have multiple weapons at tight end. I still don't see why audibling is annoying. That's how I've always played Madden. No huddle and then audible and/or hot routes. What's annoying is teams that absolutely refuse to audible, they call the play, lineup, see the defense and know that there about to get shutdown, and just run the play anyway. That to me is annoying.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - You're going to have to call your hardware guy. It's not a software issue. 12/18/2004 @ 10:23:50 AM
Earlier on in Favre's career, mainly during his MVP run, he would call at most 3 audibles per game, having much confidence in his coaches that they knew what they were doing and that he could execute the play he was given. In Super Bowl 31, Favre changed the play right before throwing touchdowns of 54 yards and 81 yards. For some people it works not to change the plays, but for some changing the play is clearly the best idea. And in Manning's case, when half of his "audibles" are decoys, it messes with the defenses' heads enough to work that way anyway.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Matt - Nutcan.com's MBL 12/18/2004 @ 11:22:05 AM
Peyton Manning is the George W. Bush of Quarterbacks. P.S. While some might argue its not, I mean it as a compliment to Manning.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Matt - 3941 Posts 12/18/2004 @ 11:23:12 AM
In case you were wondering, Eli = Jeb		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - On your mark...get set...Terrible! 12/18/2004 @ 02:05:16 PM
But Peyton Manning is good at what he does, and people like him.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 12/18/2004 @ 03:56:10 PM
Stat of the Week: Packers Offensive tackle Mark Tauscher (from Wisconsin) has not committed a holding penalty as a pro. That's 67 games, 65 as a starter, with no holding calls, not even one that was declined. But don't expect him to make the Pro Bowl, cuz he doesn't yell enough or something. He also hasn't allowed a sack this season.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9543 Posts 12/19/2004 @ 12:09:09 AM
Has not been CALLED for a holding penalty anyway.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 12/19/2004 @ 08:39:46 AM
I knew that was coming. But even if there were a few missed here and there, would refs miss 5 years worth? I don't think so. Ok, so these are late, but I did submit them before yesterday: Pittsburgh, Washington, Carolina, Philly, Houston, Buffalo, San Diego, Minnesota, KC, Jets, St. Louis, Tampa Bay, Green Bay, Tennesse, Baltimore, New England. I picked Minnesota, so that means they will lose.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - So's your face 12/19/2004 @ 09:10:48 AM
Jeremy is always negative against the Packers. It's past annoying.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	Sarah - 4671 Posts 12/19/2004 @ 12:39:11 PM
Interesting how S. Rogers stopped short of knocking down Culpepper when the Vikings false started.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	Scott - Resident Tech Support 12/19/2004 @ 12:59:46 PM
i noticed that too		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - How do you use these things? 12/19/2004 @ 01:42:51 PM
TO's hurt		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4671 Posts 12/19/2004 @ 02:06:05 PM
I went to make lunch and there were 2 ints and a fumble within 30 seconds. Either these teams' defenses are really good, or the offenses really suck. hmmm... leftover graduation food is good. :) Oh and how bout that cowboys-eagles score? Mcnabb sux, each time i check my fantasy pts, he's lost some more.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	Sarah - 4671 Posts 12/19/2004 @ 03:10:06 PM
you've got to be shitting me		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	Sarah - How do you use these things? 12/19/2004 @ 03:14:30 PM
Luckiest ass team in all of football		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 12/19/2004 @ 03:15:27 PM
Vikings got lucky on that		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9543 Posts 12/19/2004 @ 03:16:41 PM
That was Karmic retrobution for being screwed about 20 times throught the game. As far as the Taucher holding thing...All I meant is concidering every offensive tackle does something that could be concidered holding on just about every play I think it's safe to say they missed some. It's still an accomplishment though, he obviously must be doing something right.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - Robots don't say 'ye' 12/19/2004 @ 03:21:02 PM
It was lucky yes, but the lions also got it on the one yard line after a PI call where there was no contact and the ball was approximatly 95 miles out of bounds. The Vikings got tackled twice with no PI call. We should have had a 3rd turnover in a row but got screwed on that when the refs called in incomplete dispite the fact that the player turned lowered his head and took 3 mini steps, which it 5 things that count as "a football move", so suck it.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - So's your face 12/19/2004 @ 03:22:50 PM
Ok, I'm pissed. WTF? I'm breaking out the vodka. Germ- I am really hoping you were blindfolded when you typed that, because wow misspellings abound, although apparently since ya did it twice, you must think considered is spelled with a c.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4671 Posts 12/19/2004 @ 03:27:22 PM
Fuck yea		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	Sarah - 4671 Posts 12/19/2004 @ 03:29:14 PM
Ok, the computer is going, i just dropped it with the walker catch and now green just fumbled. damn it		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	icbeast - 3619 Posts 12/19/2004 @ 03:33:38 PM
There's bad calls in every game. There's not botched snaps to tie the game on an extra point with 8 seconds left every game. Stop your bitching and just accept the gift.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - As Seen On The Internet 12/19/2004 @ 03:43:51 PM
Did I just see a Brett-mo-sexual hat in the stands?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4671 Posts 12/19/2004 @ 04:01:16 PM
Why is Favre hurt?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - So's your face 12/19/2004 @ 04:08:06 PM
At least we're in the playoffs. Leftwich is hurt, that's no good.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - But let history remember, that as free men, we chose to make it so! 12/19/2004 @ 04:21:04 PM
Drew Bennett already has another 2 TDs. Who is this guy?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - You've got to trust your instinct, and let go of regret 12/19/2004 @ 04:24:51 PM
Fumble!!!!!!!!!!!!!		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - So's your face 12/19/2004 @ 04:26:32 PM
sharper is sharp. i want to bang on my drum.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9543 Posts 12/19/2004 @ 04:26:57 PM
And just to remind us all who are the lords of all that is lucky...		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - If you aren't enough without it, you'll never be enough with it. 12/19/2004 @ 04:29:07 PM
luck is when preparation meets opportunity, and Darren Sharper knew exactly what he was doing. And that was the right call.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - So's your face 12/19/2004 @ 04:30:44 PM
how was that luck? sharper was aware and knew what to do.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 12/19/2004 @ 04:30:53 PM
but experience and skill and actual good football play went into that touchdown. A botched snap is 100% the other team just sucking.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - The pig says "My wife is a slut?" 12/19/2004 @ 05:02:15 PM
The line man picked it up and stood there. That was just as 100% suck as a botched snap.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - I was too weak to give in Too strong to lose 12/19/2004 @ 05:06:22 PM
Don't bring the weak luck against the Packers! That fumble was Green's fault not Favre's. He saw that he was about to be smoked and he never grabbed the ball. I sat Owens cause he was Q with a different injury. Buffalo's defense is the shizzle. So is Lee Evans. 5 TDs in his last 4 games. Big ups!		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - Refactor Mercilessly 12/19/2004 @ 05:08:07 PM
Does it bother anyone else that Sharper makes one good play (maybe his third of the season) and the announcers crown him the best safety ever?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - Ignorance is bliss to those uneducated 12/19/2004 @ 05:09:36 PM
I was watching Ace Ventura yesterday and it totally depressed me to see him running around in short sleeve shirts during the week before the Super Bowl. Coldness blows.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - 3619 Posts 12/19/2004 @ 05:33:33 PM
nice pass b fizlle		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 12/19/2004 @ 06:00:54 PM
The worst type of loss is getting outcoached, and the Packers are getting outcoached. It was sheer luck that Sharper ran from deep in the defensive backfield knowing what he was doing the entire time, with the o lineman not realizing what was going on? yes, there is some luck there, but all the vikings had to do was nothing, sharper had to run up, slap the ball out of a players hands and run to the endzone; that is a veteran move. But the Packers have no skill, they always score on luck. Also, since 1999, Darren Sharper leads all of the NFL in Interceptions, I think that's what the announcers were bringing up.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - I don't need to get steady I know just how I feel 12/19/2004 @ 06:09:16 PM
Ok, how about the bounce on that punt for luck??		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - 3619 Posts 12/19/2004 @ 06:21:19 PM
9 of those picks came in one year 2000 (4 years ago), which was not coincidently Leroy Butler's last full year. His highest tackle total came in 1999, and all his numbers are down since after 2001, the last year that Butler played. And he doesn't seem to be much of a leader.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - I was too weak to give in Too strong to lose 12/19/2004 @ 06:23:18 PM
that stinks		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - You've got to trust your instinct, and let go of regret 12/19/2004 @ 06:27:42 PM
remember a couple weeks ago when i said wouldn't it be great if the vikings and packers were tied going into week 16...		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 12/19/2004 @ 06:30:35 PM
suspension and fine should result from that head hunting.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - 3619 Posts 12/19/2004 @ 06:33:12 PM
I'd say just a fine. I wonder what percentage of punt returns result in blocking penalties? 40%?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - Get Up! Get outta here! Gone! 12/19/2004 @ 06:44:11 PM
Hey Viking fans, send a big thank you card to the detroit lions for blowing the most routine play in the history of sports. Well, it will come down to next week.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9543 Posts 12/19/2004 @ 10:20:05 PM
Granted extra points aren't missed often, but there were two today. It wasn't like the Vikings did nothing and he just missed the extra point. Snaps are botched and kicks are made alot. A good jump may have caused the bad snap. The Vikings still had to actually get to the guy, not that it was an amazing play to get to him by any means but they still did more than "nothing" if they did "nothing" the Lions would have scored a 2 point conversion to win. Plus, the botched snap did win the game for the Vikings, but them making it doesn't LOSE the game. It's nice to see Robert is okay but I don't like that what results from a play determines punishments in the NFL. I don't think the dude meant to do that he just threw out his arm, just like players don't usually mean to facemask, but if it's a penalty it's a penalty. I mean we all love the big hits. There is a section of most NFL shows to show the big hits. It's a wonder players don't get seriously hurt more often. If Robert pops up after the clothesline and runs back to the huddle it would be a 15 yarder and no one would care 3 seconds later.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - 3619 Posts 12/19/2004 @ 10:49:06 PM
A clothesline like that though is not acceptable, intentional or not. It's just one of those things you can't do. Maybe it was just a reaction or something, but you still can't allow it to go unpunished. I'm a little suprised he got booted for it, I figured a penalty and probably a fine would be good enough. No more talk about Manning running up the score and always throwing in the red zone just to run up his stats.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - I hate our freedoms 12/19/2004 @ 10:52:20 PM
No it's not acceptable, but I think the 15 yard penalty would have been the end of it if he wasn't hurt. It happens alot on hits over the middle where it's nothing until the guy turns up hurt,		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - Ignorance is bliss to those uneducated 12/19/2004 @ 10:56:16 PM
It's a fine line in a game where the main point is to put 22 guys on the field and basically let them go it. The league seems to do a pretty thorough job of handing out fines for unacceptable hits, so I think he would have gotten one either way.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - 3619 Posts 12/19/2004 @ 10:57:17 PM
Remember this??? 09 / 12 / 2004 4:36 p.m. Name: icbeast I'm officially jumping on the Chargers bandwagon. I didn't see the game and I know it was just Houston, but looking at the stats it looks like Brees had a good game. As a Big Ten fan, I know what he can do and I still think he can have a good NFL career. As long as they win to start the season hopefully they'll just keep Rivers on the bench ala Bengals style. Plus LT is the best all-around RB in the game right now.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 12/20/2004 @ 12:09:08 AM
but you can't "if he didn't get hurt" because he did. With a play like that, 9 times out of 10 a guy is going to get hurt, that's why they made it illegal. Guys have had careers ended on plays like that, back in the old days. It was a dirty play, no matter if he intended to hurt him or not. I was just trying to unequate one team scoring a defensive touchdown on a weird play with another team winning a game because of a botched snap on an extra point attempt.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - I hate our freedoms 12/20/2004 @ 07:34:25 AM
I know you can't "if" situations. I'm just saying there are many times where there is a big hit on a player and nothing happens, then the player that took the hit doesn't get up and a late flag comes in and I don't like that. If it's illegal it's illegal. Sort of like how PI will be called 30 seconds after the fact because the reciever "asks" for it. Call what happened based on the play, not how it shakes out going back to the huddles. Have you ever seen a player ejected for a facemask or spearing? The only times I've ever seen players ejected is for fighting. The guy said after the game that he felt bad and that it was not intentional, he was swiping up at the ball and caught him under the helmet. He also said he would be praying for him.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - So's your face 12/20/2004 @ 07:53:05 AM
A lot of times, people will get hurt on plays on no flags will come in. Favre saw that it was an illegal hit and started arguing with the refs right away about it. Whether or not that's y the flag came in, who knows. How bout Favre's look when he hit the ref with the ball? hilarious. I'm glad ferguson is alright, that was scary.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4671 Posts 12/20/2004 @ 08:05:16 AM
Proud		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - Get Up! Get outta here! Gone! 12/20/2004 @ 11:59:46 AM
Like the announcers said though, you can't look at intent. I know players don't go around looking to hurt people, and I'm sure that wasn't Darius's plan. But is tackling someone with a stiff forarm to the neck and chin will knock a guy unconcious every time. Darius said he's seen guys stay in the game for worse hits. That is a load of BS and about as disrespectful a statement as you can make. "Hey Ferguson, get up, that hit wasn't that bad. Come on, baby. What's that? He's not moving? It's not my fault. He shouldn't have been standing there."		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - 3619 Posts 12/20/2004 @ 01:55:26 PM
That look on Favre's face was great. This is from an article on Page 2, "As a reader pointed out this weekend, complaints about annoying non-stop Favre worship by the announcers are themselves now becoming annoying and non-stop."		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - You're going to have to call your hardware guy. It's not a software issue. 12/20/2004 @ 02:15:53 PM
Amen. (100th comment this week)		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4671 Posts 12/20/2004 @ 05:23:54 PM
TO is out for the season. Big Implications?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - I don't need to get steady I know just how I feel 12/20/2004 @ 06:08:16 PM
Any of the AFC teams that make it to the playoffs should be able to beat whichever NFC team makes it to the SuperBowl. Who that NFC team will be now becomes as big of guess as the entire NFC has been all year. The Eagles will probably lose the Championship game at home, again. Their offense is b to the ad without Owens.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - 3619 Posts 12/20/2004 @ 06:42:46 PM
This is good: HEMPSTEAD, N.Y. (AP) -- Chad Pennington wanted to have a little fun with the media after the Jets beat the Seahawks 37-14, so he decided to throw reporters `'a curveball.'' Pennington left a postgame news conference without taking questions Sunday for the first time in his career. The franchise quarterback explained Monday he meant no harm with his actions, though he stopped short of apologizing. ``Life is all about inconvenience,'' Pennington said. ``I thought how appropriate to have a big win and create a little inconvenience for you reporters. It was out of fun, but obviously it created a commotion. A lot of curveball questions get thrown at you sometimes so I thought I'd throw a curveball at you and see how you responded. ``When I throw you guys a curveball, it's like somebody threw a bomb in the media room.'' Pennington took heavy criticism for his play in a 17-6 loss to Pittsburgh on Dec. 12, throwing three interceptions with a quarterback rating of 33.6. Questions were raised about whether he could win big games. Though Pennington says he does not read the papers or listen to talk radio, he got upset when Troy Aikman interviewed him last week and said he could not believe the criticism being doled out. ``Last week was a long week for me and I just didn't want to answer any questions,'' Pennington said. ``I didn't feel I was in the right frame of mind to answer questions. The 10-minute cooling off period the NFL gives you before you guys come in, I needed more than 10 minutes. ``I was tired of words, let actions speak louder than words. We responded as a team very well and showed what we were made of as a team.''		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Bretx0r uses Firefox (Guest) 12/20/2004 @ 07:59:42 PM
"I was going for the ball." -Donovan Darius		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4671 Posts 12/20/2004 @ 09:24:04 PM
not cool. Cool: NFL ALL-STAR TOP-10 OFFENSIVE & DEFENSIVE VOTE-GETTERS TOP-TEN OFFENSIVE QB Peyton Manning, Colts - 1,075,089 QB Donovan McNabb, Eagles - 993,530 QB Daunte Culpepper, Vikings - 902,877 WR Terrell Owens, Eagles - 900,220 RB Shaun Alexander, Seahawks - 804,172 RB Tiki Barber, Giants - 792,163 WR Marvin Harrison, Colts - 722,477 TE Antonio Gates, Chargers - 705,751 TE Tony Gonzalez, Chiefs - 703,124 QB Ben Roethlisberger, Steelers - 690,306 TOP-TEN DEFENSIVE DE John Abraham, Jets - 368,514 ILB Ray Lewis, Ravens - 281,341 OLB Derrick Brooks, Buccaneers - 272,842 ILB Brian Urlacher, Bears - 272,159 CB Champ Bailey, Broncos - 263,863 ILB Nick Barnett, Packers - 237,079 SS Ed Reed, Ravens - 219,067 DE Patrick Kerney, Falcons - 203,484 DE Jevon Kearse, Eagles - 197,310 DE Dwight Freeney, Colts - 195,572 NFL ALL-STAR TOP-FIVE ROOKIE VOTE-GETTERS QB Ben Roethlisberger, Steelers - 690,306 WR Roy Williams, Lions - 158,967 FB Chris Cooley, Redskins - 150,600 CB Dunta Robinson, Texans - 122,177 RB/KR B.J. Sams, Ravens - 86,068 AFC LEADING VOTE-GETTERS BY POSITION Offense QB Peyton Manning, Colts - 1,075,089 RB Curtis Martin, Jets - 587,444 FB Jerald Sowell, Jets - 332,742 WR Marvin Harrison, Colts - 722,477 TE Antonio Gates, Chargers - 705,751 T Jonathan Ogden, Ravens - 190,876 G Alan Faneca, Steelers - 238,993 C Kevin Mawae, Jets - 206,565 K Adam Vinatieri, Patriots - 512,102 KR Terrence McGee, Bills - 163,857 Defense DE John Abraham, Jets - 368,514 IL Marcus Stroud, Jaguars - 182,436 OLB Keith Bulluck, Titans - 191,749 ILB Ray Lewis, Ravens - 281,341 CB Champ Bailey, Broncos -263,863 SS Ed Reed, Ravens - 219,067 FS John Lynch, Broncos - 119,680 P Shane Lechler, Raiders - 251,192 ST Larry Izzo, Patriots - 115,837 NFC LEADING VOTE-GETTERS BY POSITION Offense QB Donovan McNabb, Eagles - 993,530 RB Shaun Alexander, Seahawks - 804,172 FB William Henderson, Packers - 221,421 WR Terrell Owens, Eagles - 900,220 TE Alge Crumpler, Falcons - 573,769 T Orlando Pace, Rams - 164,254 G Larry Allen, Cowboys - 198,026 C Hank Fraley, Eagles - 157,320 K David Akers, Eagles - 680,644 KR Eddie Drummond, Lions - 315,936 Defense DE Patrick Kerney, Falcons - 203,484 IL Kevin Williams, Minnesota - 185,509 OLB Derrick Brooks, Buccaneers - 272,842 ILB Brian Urlacher, Bears - 272,159 CB Lito Sheppard, Eagles - 186,029 SS Michael Lewis, Eagles - 101,947 FS Brian Dawkins, Eagles - 176,798 P Mitch Berger, Saints - 214,896 ST Robert Ferguson, Packers - 112,932 William Henderson got the fans' vote! yay! we find out wednesday if he goes. y did fans pick urlacher? he's played like 3 games this year.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - Who controls the past now controls the future 12/20/2004 @ 10:03:08 PM
The Pro Bowl is a joke. Lee Evans should be 2nd as far as rookies go. He's making huge contributions to a winning team. Williams went 7 games during the middle of the season without doing anything.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - Resident Tech Support 12/20/2004 @ 10:38:33 PM
how funny is it that Andy Reid probably won't have to wear tights after all.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9543 Posts 12/20/2004 @ 11:10:31 PM
Wow, there's just never a sure thing anywhere. Division rivals or not the Pats don't deserve home field if they can't take out a 2 win team.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - I was too weak to give in Too strong to lose 12/20/2004 @ 11:18:08 PM
Not that I went as far as picking the upset, but I work with a Miami fan and he thought they'd get rocked, but I figured they'd give them a tough game. I can't stand Brady or the Patriots, and I'm pretty sure the Dolphins have more Badgers, so this game was sweet. Plus the San Diego SuperChargers could still get a bye.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Anon. Nut Can Fan (Guest) 12/21/2004 @ 12:31:32 AM
"Seeing Jon say "St. Brett" warms my heart. I'm not the only bitter one here after all." I'm not bitter. I just think it's a funny name for him. Also, if you're looking for a Christmas present for me, here is a list of things I would be fine with never seeing on this website at least for the rest of the year: lucky (as well as all variations of the word), Brett Favre, Bush, Kerry, Republicans, Democrats, any quote from Vince Lombardi, and any ridiculous whining in any form.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jon - 1000000 posts (and counting!) 12/21/2004 @ 12:34:16 AM
Just for the record, the last post was by me. Also, the part about my Christmas present was a message for everyone.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - Resident Tech Support 12/21/2004 @ 09:54:37 AM
Ok, how can we talk about the Packers without Talking about Favre.......codename: QB4 and how often have there been Lombardi (Greatest coach of all time) quotes on this page?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Micah - Shaken not stirred gets you cold water with a dash of gin and dry vermouth 12/21/2004 @ 12:51:35 PM
If you really want to talk about football, how about we talk about the only guy to score 4 touchdowns in one game for Polk High School. I bet if you go back to the beginning of football, the Packers and the Vikings "luck" is about even. That is, if you believe in luck. A wise man once said, "In my experience, there's no such thing as luck."		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4671 Posts 12/21/2004 @ 04:34:45 PM
Jon- why aren't u ever online? you're killing me absolutely killing me		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Matt - 3941 Posts 12/21/2004 @ 05:32:41 PM
It's hard for him to find time to get online between sleeping on the couch and sleeping on the other couch.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbeast - 3619 Posts 12/21/2004 @ 07:21:58 PM
9-7, 135-89		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - If you aren't enough without it, you'll never be enough with it. 12/21/2004 @ 07:23:10 PM
9-7, 130-94		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Marie (Guest) 02/13/2010 @ 11:21:43 AM
Did I hear Peyton Manning using the F...K word quite a bit during superbowl sunday 2010. I have also heard him on Saturday Night Live uttering thos words true or not true. My brother say he never utters that word. I would like feedback.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	Sarah - 4671 Posts 02/13/2010 @ 12:57:05 PM
I am guessing that since he's human, he probably says the "f" bomb on occasion.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 02/16/2010 @ 07:55:42 AM
I see we've fired up the WayBack Machine.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9543 Posts 02/16/2010 @ 06:16:25 PM
http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://page3.gotdns.com		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
Jeremy edited this at 02/16/2010 6:19:43 pm

	Sarah - 4671 Posts 02/16/2010 @ 07:31:27 PM
My favorite part is the TV Guide we had. Good times.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.