NFL 2003 Season Week 16 Picks

	Scott - 6225 Posts 12/17/2003 @ 12:07:25 AM
Putting Favre in the same sentence as Vick for media hype is almost insulting. Whether or not Favre still deserves his hype, he has at least earned it by his career. Vick has done nothing yet.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Anon. Nut Can Fan (Guest) 12/17/2003 @ 12:10:20 AM
p.s. Favre is number 2 in the league in touchdown passes.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jon - 3443 Posts 12/17/2003 @ 12:33:01 AM
Since Jeremy is sleeping right now, I'll respond. You see, the comment about hype was mine and that was all about Vick. Jeremy's comment, as I understand it, is in regards to the media love-in that occurs for some players. One such player is Favre. Unless Favre cured cancer at some point in his career, it would be tough to argue that he has earned all the media-love he has gotten. p.s. Favre is second to last in Int%.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - No, I did not change your screen saver settings 12/17/2003 @ 12:49:27 AM
who looks at stats anyway:)		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9543 Posts 12/17/2003 @ 12:22:19 PM
word to Jon's comment.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - On your mark...get set...Terrible! 12/17/2003 @ 12:33:31 PM
Atop the North the top 3 tie breakers for division championships are: 1) head to head 2) division record 3) record in common games The pack and Vikes are tied for 1 and 2, but the record in common games at this point goes to the Packers. so far, there have been 4 games that both the Packers and the Vikings have played. (Seattle, St. Louis, San Francisco, and San Diego). Of these games, the Packers are 3-1 and the vikings are 2-2. The tie-breaker goes to the Packers if the season ended today. Of all the games the 2 teams have in common (there's 8), the Both teams have a 3-3 record, but the remaining 2 games for both teams are in this "common games" category, but because the both their overall records and the common records are tied, it just comes down to wins and losses. If both teams win both games then it goes to the 4th tie breaker which is Division record which, unfortunately, the Vikings would win.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - How do you use these things? 12/17/2003 @ 02:16:35 PM
Doug Pederson is the top rated QB in the NFC. Let that sink in.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9543 Posts 12/17/2003 @ 05:10:42 PM
Well if I only had to complete one pass I'm pretty sure I could do that.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - Broadcast in stunning 1080i 12/17/2003 @ 05:12:38 PM
ps The Renegade is actually last in INTs according to NFL.com		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - Get Up! Get outta here! Gone! 12/17/2003 @ 06:05:27 PM
I'm curious, where did the name Renegade come from? I've never heard this before.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 12/17/2003 @ 06:06:25 PM
ps, I am still awesome		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbizzle - 3619 Posts 12/17/2003 @ 06:07:53 PM
ps your a moron jeremy I'm not sure where exactly on NFL.com you found that stat, but it's wrong. Farve and Bulger have 20 INTs, Harrington has 21. Farve's INT% is 4.8%, Doug Johnson's is 4.9%. So Farve is not last in either category, although he is close. He leads or is second in a few important categories as well though. As previously mentioned, he is second in TD passes. However, he is easily leading in TD%. He is also second in completion percentage. And get this. If you count interceptions as completions, he is actually first in completion percentage. ps the Vikings are going to get stomped on Saturday (Holmes only needs five touchdowns to break the record, so he'll be ready to play)		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - As Seen On The Internet 12/17/2003 @ 06:11:08 PM
I must have missed Harrington, but Johnson wasn't on there since it just listed QB's who are currently actually playing.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 12/17/2003 @ 06:49:24 PM
If only int's counted as completions. hehe. I mean come on, you completed the pass. Just because it was the other team doesn't make it any less of a completion. What's the deal. ps Favre also is in the lead with number of Country songs completed by a QB.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jon - infinity + 1 posts 12/17/2003 @ 08:19:07 PM
Jeremy stop using nfl.com. ESPN.com is way better. The NFL will only end up fining you for enjoying their website anyway.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - Resident Tech Support 12/17/2003 @ 08:36:15 PM
NFL.com? more like Nofun.com!		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbizzle - Who controls the past now controls the future 12/17/2003 @ 09:56:08 PM
ps in case anyone was worried, farve said today that he will be back next year		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - Robots don't say 'ye' 12/18/2003 @ 12:49:49 PM
Speaking of the media orgy Brett Favre and Warren Sapp both made the probowl. Never mind that Favre hands it off all the way down field until they get close enough for a 1 yard td pass to Bubba Franks and that he is forth in passer rating and has the second most ints in the league. Sapp on the other hand is 23 in sacks and not even on the page when you sort by Tackles (Solo and Assisted) In fact he isn't even in the top 50 for alot of things. He must have gotten picked as a tight end.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4671 Posts 12/18/2003 @ 12:55:35 PM
I do not agree with Jeremy of course in regards to the Renegade, but I do have to agree with him on the whole Sapp issue. Bah Humbug I say to that. Why didn't William Henderson get chosen for the Pro Bowl? Alstott has been on the IR since that infamous Colts-Bucs game, so he didn't get in. Technically the NFL isn't announcing the roster for the Pro Bowl until 3:00 today, so I've been franctically looking at all of the NFC team sites to find out what fullback made it instead of #33. A few teams do not have their picks listed, so I'm left to wonder. We have 8 alternates, so maybe a lot of people will decide not to go this year, and we can have a good portion of our team there. The way players are picked does kind of suck in some aspects, because yes, a lot of it has to do with name recognition and not stats. (I still think Favre deserves to go.) But our whole offensive line has been stellar this season and only Marco gets to definitely go. (Flanagan is an alternate.) That's not coo. Oh well, here's waiting til 3:00 to find out who else made it.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - I believe virtually everything I read. 12/18/2003 @ 12:58:04 PM
Matt Hasslebeck has just 2 less tds, 500 more yards passing, a better passer rating, and 8 less interceptions		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4671 Posts 12/18/2003 @ 01:00:03 PM
And your point is?????		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbizzle - 3619 Posts 12/18/2003 @ 03:04:33 PM
ps Hasslebeck has led his team to a whopping 1 road win this year. What a weenie!!!!		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - So's your face 12/18/2003 @ 03:07:50 PM
Well the Pro Bowl results are out. Jeremy Shockey???? The guy hasn't played since November 9th. Give me a break. Fred Beasley???? No. William Henderson is way better.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9543 Posts 12/18/2003 @ 03:36:43 PM
Hasslebeck's record is the same as Favre's		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - No, I did not change your screen saver settings 12/18/2003 @ 04:19:46 PM
If you are complaning about Favre and not McNabb, then your argument is clearly anti-Favre biased, no question. Favre has 15 more TD passes, more yards, and a rating of 86.3 compared to McNabb's 76.6, Favre's completion percentage, (conference leading) is 65% compared to McNabb's 56%. Their TD/int ratio is practically identical. Why aren't you complaining about McNabb? Oh that's right, cuz he's apparently not overrated. Is William henderson better than Fred Beasley? Henderson doesn't have a rushing attempt all season (Beasley has 16 for 20 yards) Henderson has 23 rec for 213 yards and 3 td's (Beasley has 16/171/1). Who knows. We can be sure about one thing though, for the first time in a long time an actual fullback will be playing in the probowl.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jon - Nutcan.com's kitten expert 12/18/2003 @ 04:30:34 PM
McNabb also probably shouldn't have gotten in there, but that doesn't make Favre any more qualified. If there were more McNabb fans that viewed this site (or wrote for it) I'm sure we would discuss that a bit more. And although I still don't think McNabb should be a ProBowler, he is the quarterback of the best team in the NFC. That should count for something. Although like I said, I still don't think he deserves to go. My favorite ProBowler? PDW!		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 12/18/2003 @ 04:36:52 PM
Yeah, but that still proves the Anti-Favre sentiment felt by some, and even those who oppose the Favre media hype still fall into the trap.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jon - 3443 Posts 12/18/2003 @ 04:54:25 PM
I don't think it proves anything. The reason we don't talk about Donovan F. McNabb is because no one is interested in him. Favre plays in our backyard. We write about what we know, and we know Favre didn't have a better season than Hasselbeck. You call it Anti-Favre sentiment, yet you didn't argue a case for Favre being in the Pro Bowl. Lot's of selections were questionable, we can't cover every one. However, that doesn't make the selections we do discuss any less questionable.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - On your mark...get set...Terrible! 12/18/2003 @ 05:08:34 PM
I'm a big McNabb fan, (ok, nevermind), but your point is taken. And actually, I am surprised that Favre was selected. (this will add to the media hype thing)But he his Brett Favre afterall:)		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - I believe virtually everything I read. 12/18/2003 @ 05:14:55 PM
Sometimes you can look the other way on stats when a QB has their team in the running for a number one seed. Not that it totally makes up for it but McNabb does have like 334 yards rushing and 2 td's that way.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 12/18/2003 @ 07:48:09 PM
So apparently the NFL is really cracking down on excessive celebration. The league fined Packer's recievers Robert Ferguson and Donald Driver for their "strike a pose" celebration after Driver's touchdown catch. Just a note.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jon - 3443 Posts 12/18/2003 @ 08:17:30 PM
They should fine Favre for throwing the pass that led to that td.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4671 Posts 12/18/2003 @ 09:33:42 PM
Ok, so as soon as I saw the Pro Bowl results, I immediately went to look at the stats of the players who made it. Of course, stats aren't the only thing that should determine the ProBowl, they show some things. The whole Fred Beasley thing upsets me. Henderson is an excellent blocker, and the man behind him proves that. Beasley blocks for Hearst and some other people. McNabb's stats are pathetic. But, like Jon said to me TD passes are overrated. However, his QB rating isn't that great as one of our readers has pointed out. Favre has thrown for 27 TDs and almost 3000 yds. Yea, he has 20 INT, but look at his stats throughout the years, he has had a lot of INTs and yet those are overshadowed by his excellent skilz at getting the job done. The NFL is fine-happy, but if they fined people last week for the exact same celebration, than Driver and Ferguson should've known they had it coming. Hmmm I think I've repeated everything that everyone else has already said, but I thought I would say how I felt. BTW, school is out!!!!!!!!!		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - On your mark...get set...Terrible! 12/18/2003 @ 10:09:05 PM
The thing with Favre getting the job done is that I don't know how comprable this year is to others, because he has struggled along with the rest of the team. The Driver-Ferfuson fine, I'm actually glad that they got fined. I don't like players doing stupid premeditated celebrations, and it is even worse when guys on my team do it. Hopefully this will help curb the self-induldging celebrations.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbizzle - Refactor Mercilessly 12/19/2003 @ 12:17:23 AM
So is everyone ready for the biggest sporting event of the weekend? That's right Marquette vs. Wisconsin, Sat. at 1 pm. Be there (in front of a tv) or be square. (The Packers game isn't technically on the weekend). In other news, the Pro Bowl itself is overrated so who really gives a crap who made it and who didn't. Does anyone watch the game? Does anyone even remember who made the team once the playoffs start? If you look up anti-climatic or boring in the dictionary you will find the Pro Bowl listed. Now that I've already said I don't give a crap, why shouldn't Farve make it. Players who have made the Pro Bowl before always get in easier than those who haven't, which is fair enough in my mind. Hasselbeck has had a comparable season to Farve, but he doesn't clearly deserve to go instead of Farve. When things are close, the incumbent wins (especially when fan votes count). The one guy who got extremely screwed this year is Tomlinson. I'm not saying he should have been picked over Holmes, Lewis, or Portis, but he should still make the team. He accounts for something like 50+ percent of his teams yards and touches (that=ridiculous). They should have a spot or two on each side of the ball that can be filled by any position, picked by the players and coaches. That way when there is an abundance of players at one position having a good year, they can all make it.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbizzle - 3619 Posts 12/19/2003 @ 12:20:53 AM
ps I think baseball should contract every team not in the AL East and let them throw money at all the free agents that would create. First team with a payroll of $1 billion wins!!!!		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Micah - 584 Posts 12/19/2003 @ 01:12:52 AM
Barry Sanders still should have been MVP outright		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9543 Posts 12/19/2003 @ 10:42:45 AM
Word to Micah's comment. Now for Alex's. Making the Pro Bowl is an honor, playing in the Pro Bowl is an entirely different story. And it should have nothing to do with how many times you've been in the probowl. Why should Sapp go when he is having like the worst year of his career just because traditionally he's gone?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbizzle - 3619 Posts 12/19/2003 @ 10:50:55 AM
sapp shouldn't go		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - Resident Tech Support 12/19/2003 @ 11:05:00 AM
Favre has already said that he isn't going to play in the Pro Bowl because of his thumb, but here's something he said that I found kinda interesting. It applies to cases like his and Sapp's (well, kind of like Sapp's, but not as much) "As a younger player, you almost seek those type of awards. You want to be respected across the league and that's one way of feeling like you belong," Favre said. "I also think it's unfair in the sense that there's a lot of guys who deserve to go who don't go. "And there's a lot of guys who do go because of popularity. And that may be the case with me. - But it's still an honor." --jsonline.com		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 12/19/2003 @ 05:37:34 PM
aaahhhh home		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4671 Posts 12/20/2003 @ 03:29:47 PM
So I'm watching the Falcons Bucs game and I have to say these are dirty dirty players. (not birds, players) Taking pot shots after every play and then some. Saw Travis Jervey, I didn't know he was even still playing. I thought he had a drug problem, of course that was awhile ago, but it's weird to see him still palying. The game just got real interesting as the Bucs just got the two point conversion, and are only losing by 8. Going for the onside kick. Alright better post this before they don't make it. Hmm, ok too late, ok TAMPA BAY GOT THE BALL!!! I hate the Bucs but Jeremy tells me I have to root for them to win. Fine, whatever.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 12/20/2003 @ 05:00:32 PM
That fumble in the 1st quarter Kennison was a blown call by the refs. The viking player was outof bounds and batted it back into play. By rule that should have been a dead ball and KC's ball. Just a note.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4671 Posts 12/20/2003 @ 05:04:17 PM
That's what I thought. The ball was out of bounds, as was the player who batted it back in. The announcers didn't notice that he had batted back in until it had been replayed like fifty times. I think it should've been KC's ball, but at least nothing came of it, although KC could've scored if they would've gotten the ball back like they were suppose to. I don't understand why the ref who looked at the challenge didn't give the right call. As a side note, what's up with Randy's hair? Not a good call at all.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 12/20/2003 @ 05:31:23 PM
If I'm not mistaken (which I very well could be) I think this is the ref crew that was fined for not stopping the clock in a key situation at the end of a game involving the Seahawks. Oh yeah, since when can the Vikings stop the run?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - So's your face 12/20/2003 @ 05:54:05 PM
The CBS crew made another point about that play. The person (Brian Russell) who touched the ball first had stepped out of bounds, meaning he can not be the first person to touch the ball. Obviously the play doesn't mean that much since the score is 24-0, but it could've been 24-7 or something of that nature.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	scott - 6225 Posts 12/20/2003 @ 06:21:31 PM
Yeah, I saw the point on CBS, and as it turns out there were about 3 things that should have overturned the call, the refs blew it. KC could have made it 7-7, and the momentum would have been different. But it doesn't really matter anymore, KC has sucked since that point.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Matt - 3941 Posts 12/20/2003 @ 07:58:50 PM
I'm not sure about the replay procedures, but it could be that since the Chiefs argument was that Kennison stepped out, not that the defender was out, the ref could only rule on Kennison being out, not whether Williams or Russell was out (Which, of course, they were).		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Matt - 3941 Posts 12/20/2003 @ 08:00:24 PM
I hope my previous comment makes sense.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - Ma'am, can you make sure your computer is turned on? 12/20/2003 @ 08:13:07 PM
that makes sense. I too do not know about how they would rule about something like that, but I would think that getting the call right regardless of what the challenging team is looking for would be the main objection. It'll be interesting to hear how the league office responds to that.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4671 Posts 12/20/2003 @ 08:32:50 PM
Interesting point Matt. If that's the case, maybe they should change the rules with the challenges. If something is challenged, but something else is found while reviewing the play, then maybe that should be ruled on as well? But what you're saying is that KC called the wrong thing in question. Interesting indeed.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - No one's gay for Moleman 12/20/2003 @ 08:52:13 PM
The refs blew calls each way, it happens, Moss caught a ball got forced out. still almost got his feet in anyway, and the refs called it incomplete, that would have ended the game.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - Always thinking of, but never about, the children. 12/20/2003 @ 08:54:00 PM
ps The team mst have decided it was fro day today because anyone whos hair was long enough was sporting it, I thought it was funny.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jon - infinity + 1 posts 12/20/2003 @ 09:29:41 PM
I don't mean to make this "rip on Jeremy" day but..."The refs blew calls each way, it happens"..........since when is that your take on referees? secondly, the fro thing was covered on tv. you should just stay at home and watch.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9543 Posts 12/20/2003 @ 09:50:53 PM
Im not sure what you mean on either point, but ok.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - If you aren't enough without it, you'll never be enough with it. 12/21/2003 @ 03:20:50 PM
Did anyone see the end of the Saints-Jaguars game? Wow, talk about bi-polar. John Carney better find a good home in Florida cuz I'm sure New Orleans won't want him anymore.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbizzle - Ignorance is bliss to those uneducated 12/21/2003 @ 03:42:05 PM
Moss landed out of bounds before he got pushed. Steve McNair for MVP!!!		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - How do you use these things? 12/21/2003 @ 09:22:32 PM
Brett Favre's dad died today, he was 58. Favre has been through so much in his life, my heart goes out to him and his family. I have not seen anywhere if Favre will play on Monday or not. Obviously I should not be thinking about football during these circumstances. But it seems even more tragic that his streak would end, not because of an injury but because of a death in the family. Obviously it's his choice, and I would want to be with my family if I were in his shoes.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - Super Chocolate Bear 12/22/2003 @ 05:38:53 PM
What is going to be annoying about tonights game is that 98% of the broadcast is going to be spent talking about Favre's dad. The media loves it when stuff like this happens and won't have the decency to not remind Brett and his family about it every 4 seconds. If Farve gets asked before/after halftime about it I hope he grabs the mic and chucks it into the crowd. Also what will be annoying is that he can go out and throw 8 ints and everyone will shrug and say "well what do you expect after a loss like that" or he can go out and throw 8 td and everyone will say "well he was playing for his father." So no matter what happens the media will talk all week about how it happened because of his father.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 12/22/2003 @ 06:57:45 PM
I think for the first time in page 3 history I agree with Jeremy. On Monday Night Countdown on ESPN they had a camera in Favre's face as he was walking in. Now I know that this is a common occurence these days in sports to see the guys walking in from the parking lot, but come on, have a little decency. It's times like this when you almost have to leave him alone. I know that this is not going to be the case, however. For more reasons than the Packers making the playoffs, I hope Favre comes out and plays great, for nobody else but himself.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - The pig says "My wife is a slut?" 12/22/2003 @ 07:01:23 PM
We agree on stuff in the blog. =)		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - On your mark...get set...Terrible! 12/22/2003 @ 07:42:53 PM
true true		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9543 Posts 12/22/2003 @ 08:02:02 PM
22 seconds into the broadcast.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - No one's gay for Moleman 12/22/2003 @ 08:12:59 PM
Darren Sharper is is such a dumb ass.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - Get Up! Get outta here! Gone! 12/22/2003 @ 08:35:49 PM
woooooooooo!!!!!!!!! pretty good start for Favre I'd say. is darren sharper french?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9543 Posts 12/22/2003 @ 08:41:02 PM
Well he is an arrogant jackass.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	scott - Ma'am, can you make sure your computer is turned on? 12/22/2003 @ 09:33:14 PM
8 touchdowns you say? well he's half way there at the halfway point!!!!!!!!! Wow		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9543 Posts 12/22/2003 @ 11:17:04 PM
Is 6 QBs to take a snap in a game an NFL record?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - I hate our freedoms 12/22/2003 @ 11:31:29 PM
OK obviously the game meant a lot to Favre and it was quite the clinic he put on but I think Jon and Al actually managed a few times to say "Brett Favre" about 7 times in one sentence. All totaled I think the words "Brett Favre" made up about 25% of everything said on the air tonight. I was expecting them to talk about it a lot but I dont think Ive heard the words "Brett Favre" spoken so much in one game in my entire life. Another thing that I found odd is they ALWAYS said "Brett Favre" never just Brett or Favre.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 12/22/2003 @ 11:44:32 PM
Favre obviously draws a lot of respect from around the league. Al even said that there is probably no other person who draws as much respect from around the league as Favre. Ok, that being said. I'm really not surprised that they talked so much about it. One, because it's Brett Favre. Two, because something like this is such a freak occurance for an athlete to go through, and when he comes thru the way he did, regardless of the adversity he was going through, it was a performance for the ages. Also, Jon and Al both like Favre, as a person and as an athlete, so again I'm not surprised. About the end of the 1st half after the constant "Brett Favre" talk regarding his father, I turned to my dad and asked him if he thought they were overdoing it at all, and he thought they were a little at that point. On the same note, I am glad that they didn't do anything disrespectful. The interview of Favre after the game was simple, there weren't any stupid questions that were just looking to show a man cry on TV (at least I thought anyway). When one of the greatest football players of all time goes through such adversity and then has a career day, those are all ingredients for excessive coverage during the game.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9543 Posts 12/22/2003 @ 11:48:36 PM
That wasn't really my point. My point was just that they kept repeating "Brett Favre" over and over and over. You and I could have a 4 hour conversation about Jon without have to say "Jon Pehler" once let alone every 3 words.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - On your mark...get set...Terrible! 12/22/2003 @ 11:54:37 PM
Ok, I get what you are saying then.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 12/23/2003 @ 12:10:56 AM
That's actually kinda funny as I think about it longer. I think I'm going to start using people's 1st and last name when I refer to them from now on. No pronouns or anything.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9543 Posts 12/23/2003 @ 12:21:25 AM
Yeah, I'm thinking of going to bed but I want to see if Jon Pehler or Matt Pehler come online. Usually one of Jon Pehler or Matt Pehler is on AIM at this time of night. I kind of feel like playing a game and I wanted to know if Jon Pehler or Matt Pehler wanted to play Starcraft or Madden, Jon Pehler doesn't play starcraft, but Jon Pehler might play Madden with me. Matt Pehler and I haven't played Starcraft in a realy long time. Maybe I'll play Counter Strike.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jon - infinity + 1 posts 12/23/2003 @ 04:10:20 AM
First of all, who are those people you're talking about? Secondly, if you're going to talk about John Madden and Al Michaels while using their first names only (as if you guys are friends with them) then use John and Al not Jon and Al. Thirdly, some people just have names that are prone to be used as a whole. And some people are more prone to use names that way. I have friends that refer to me almost exclusively by my first and last name. I also have friends that I refer to by their first and last names almost always. It's just a thing that happens. I see your point, that it might stick out if you listen for it, but at the same time I don't think it's weird at all. Really, what is weird is you guys calling Michaels and Madden, Al and Jon (or Al and John). Not only do you not know them personally, but they aren't two cultural figures that are referred to often solely by their first names (e.g. LeBron, Conan). The old "Frank, and Al and Dan" monday night theme notwithstanding, of course.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - Get Up! Get outta here! Gone! 12/23/2003 @ 09:27:08 AM
2 points for Jon. Geez man, go to bed. 75 comments, man, we sure exhausted this week.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9543 Posts 12/23/2003 @ 11:38:42 AM
In the context of talking about the game and the broadcast calling them Al and John is fine. You don't have to know someone personally to use their first names and I'm not sure where you got that ridiculous notion. Secondly my point wasnt really that they used his whole name just that they used it every 1.5 seconds throughout the entire broadcast.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbizzle - 3619 Posts 12/23/2003 @ 12:56:18 PM
Doooooooon't do it!		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.