NFL 2003 Season Week 15 Picks

	Jeremy - Robots don't say 'ye' 12/09/2003 @ 02:46:33 PM
Worst analogy ever.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	sarah - 4671 Posts 12/09/2003 @ 02:47:09 PM
Like I said last week, screw you		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jon - 3443 Posts 12/09/2003 @ 09:44:07 PM
I agree with both of you		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jon - 3443 Posts 12/09/2003 @ 09:48:19 PM
While I was doing my picks I thought of how most of our picks were going to be the same this week. Sure enough Sarah, Jeremy, and I have the exact same picks. Matt has three different picks (two of which can be chalked up to his Washington fascination and anti-Packer sentiment).		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - How do you use these things? 12/09/2003 @ 11:12:39 PM
Yea, well fine. I liked my analogy. I have never understood Matt's fascination with the Redskins and their coach Spurrier. As for his anti Packer sentiment, well sometimes it works for him and most of the time it doesn't. He's just upset from when he picked them to beat the Cardinals. Can ya blame him? Otherwise he'd be picking them all the time. Am I right? I know I am.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - How do you use these things? 12/09/2003 @ 11:14:23 PM
I just actually read Matt's comments and am a bit offended. Fake equations don't prove anything to anyone. Can I get some love for my awesome analogy?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jon - 1000000 posts (and counting!) 12/12/2003 @ 06:25:30 PM
Do you guys like stuff? I like stuff.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9543 Posts 12/12/2003 @ 11:17:30 PM
So you know how everyone is salavating over the season Torry Holt is having and raving about how he is having like the best season a wide receiver has ever had? Holt 96 rec 1418 yards 14.8 avg 10 tds Moss 90 rec 1372 yards 15.2 avg 13 tds		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - You're going to have to call your hardware guy. It's not a software issue. 12/13/2003 @ 12:52:59 AM
Nothing is salavating out of me, but I'll take your word for it.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 12/13/2003 @ 11:16:45 PM
Here's an intersting note. Mike McKenzie has only been called for 2 penalties this year, 1 for illegal contact against the 49ers, and 1 for a late hit against detroit in week 2. No pass interference calls. On top of that, he leads the Packers in pass deflections and interceptions with 20 and 4. I point these 2 stats out because it means that he is still getting in on lots of plays but he is doing it without penalties. Just a note because I heard from Jon that Page 3 was hurting for comments for week 15.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4671 Posts 12/14/2003 @ 12:31:07 PM
Some teams this week are going to be creamed into corn. That's what I'm thinking.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - If you aren't enough without it, you'll never be enough with it. 12/14/2003 @ 12:52:13 PM
I'm not sure about corn, but Rex Grossman is looking decent. I speak relatively of course compared to previous Bears QBs. Go Bears!!!!!		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 12/14/2003 @ 02:54:09 PM
Talk about a good time for the first turnover of the game, eh? Well, if you're not a viking fan, i guess.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	jigga - You've got to trust your instinct, and let go of regret 12/14/2003 @ 02:55:04 PM
moss just got owned		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 12/14/2003 @ 06:38:18 PM
Yeah, I know it was the Chargers, and nobody loses to the Chargers, right? 4 touchdowns from Favre. Sounds good to me.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4671 Posts 12/14/2003 @ 06:39:38 PM
Me too.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4671 Posts 12/14/2003 @ 06:41:48 PM
Oh, and I think my analogy worked out very well. Lorenzo had a very good game. So did Henderson, and Driver finally got some passes in his direction. I was a little worried when the Chargers came out in the second half and started scoring. But then the Pack came back with determination and motivation and put the game away. Good job!		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9543 Posts 12/14/2003 @ 06:48:57 PM
This week solidified the Viking and Packers places on opposite ends of the luck spectrum.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - Ma'am, can you make sure your computer is turned on? 12/14/2003 @ 07:16:20 PM
What luck are you refering to? Are you referring to the bogus pass interferences call on Mike McKennzie where he ended up on his back immidiately followed by a bogus late hit out of bounds call on McKennzie again? Just wondering. They won the game though, although the Chargers, Drew Brees especially, helped them along on many occassion.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbizzle - But let history remember, that as free men, we chose to make it so! 12/14/2003 @ 09:29:30 PM
these announcers for the sunday night game need to lighten up. granted horn's cell phone stunt wasn't nearly as sweet as the TO sharpie, but he doesn't deserve to go to jail for it, which is what would happen if it were up to the announcers. they said he should be fined 100g's because it was a stupid thing to do. how would they like it if i fined them 100g's for every time they said something stupid? they'd be broke after 10 seconds fo' sho'.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 12/14/2003 @ 10:16:00 PM
Football players suck when they do something like that. I think the announcers were being a little facetious about the 100g's thing, and most likely about costing him the Pro Bowl, but I agree with them on the celebration issue. Why do some players feel the need to show the other team absolutely no respect, not to mention their own teammates. I have been involved with sports my whole life, and if anyone ever did anything to draw attention to themself everyone else just became pissed. I'm a big fan of plenty of celebrations (lambeau leap, mile high salute, and others) but TO things or others that specifically draw attention to yourself have no place in a team sport. I'm also a big fan of the Barry Sanders "toss the ball back to the official" celebration thing. I've never really paid much attention to this before, but Randy Moss did just that today when he caught a touchdown pass. There's something to be said about going about your business as usual.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4671 Posts 12/15/2003 @ 12:53:34 PM
FOX got an earful from me. Check it out: I was watching NFL on Fox yesterday, anticipating the Packer/Charger game. I had just watched the Vikings lose to the Bears and FOX decided to show the end of the Rams/Seahawks game. That was fine, except that I ended up missing the first 5 minutes of the game I'd been waiting all week to see. Seeing as I live in Wisconsin, I cannot understand why I missed the beginning of my game. Especially since the game that I had watched in its entirity (Vikings/Bears) was over 25 minutes before my game was suppose to even start. I missed Ahman Green break the Packer's single season rushing record. I also missed the Packer's opening drive that resulted in a Touchdown. While the Rams/Seahawks game had implications for the Packer's chance at the Playoffs, I didn't care to see the ending of it. I wanted to see the game with my favorite team in it. I love the NFL on Fox, but the way the games were managed really made me angry, angry enough to write a letter. Please be more considerate in the future. After all, it's not everyday you see a running back break their team's single season rushing record. Thank you. Take that you big corporation! The NFL on Fox is way better than watching games on other networks, but still, why they gotta hate?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 1.21 Gigawatts!?!? 12/15/2003 @ 01:09:13 PM
I dont mind when players celebrate like that in front of thier home crowd, it is after all an entertainment industry and the tickets are pricy, it only bugs me when it goes on in visitors stadiums. I don't see it as "disrespect." All these guys are adults and if you don't want to see the celebration don't let them in the endzone. Besides defenders will allow 3 first downs in a row then celebrate a tackle for a .5 yard loss like they just won the superbowl. Typically the offense only gets a chance to celebrate the TD's. p.s. both the "McKennzie" calls were legit.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbizzle - 3619 Posts 12/15/2003 @ 01:26:35 PM
I beg to differ with the previous posting by Sarah. When the game (SEA-STL) went to commercial even though it looked like they were still playing, I was like, "Great switch games right when Seattle is driving for the win, BAH." After 10 minutes when the commercial break was over, I was delighted to find that the game was still on. As a football fan, I wanted to see if the Seahawks had what it takes to win on the road in a close game. As a Packers fan, I wanted Seattle to win so that after the Vikings lose to KC and the Packers win out, the Vikings won't even make the playoffs. Unfortunately, Seattle doesn't have what it takes to win on the road, which is all the more reason for me to hope the Packers can get a first round Lambeau field matchup against them. Anyway, missing the beginning of the Packer game did not bother me, because the first five minutes of the game generally have next to nothing to do with the outcome. Sure, I missed Ahman's run, but it was no big deal. With 3 games to get like 20 yards, you knew it would happen and actually seeing it wouldn't have made it any more exciting for me.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbizzle - But let history remember, that as free men, we chose to make it so! 12/15/2003 @ 01:33:26 PM
How is the lambeau leap any different then whipping out a cell phone? Its not like the whole team does the leap. The only way that I can see it as a bad move (other than it wasn't really that funny) is that it cost his team 15 yards. But I would argue that it shouldn't have. It shouldn't be up to league to decide what is acceptable. Let the players celebrate. They work their butts off all year long, and they may only score a handful of touchdowns for all that work. I would want to celebrate after seeing all my hard work pay off.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - If you aren't enough without it, you'll never be enough with it. 12/15/2003 @ 02:28:29 PM
Personally, I hate Fox. The only good thing about it is the Simpsons and that 70's show. ESPN/ABC are really the only legitimate sports stations for me. I still question the Pass Int. call on McKennzie, but the late hit probably was ok. The Pass Int. call: if nothing else, it should have been called on both players. McKennzie had his arm near the reciever but the reciever did a good job of shoving McKennzie away when the ball got there. Oh well, not a big deal.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 12/15/2003 @ 02:35:16 PM
celebrations like the lambeau leap and the Mile High salute are almost tributes to the fans themselves, not an individual player. When joe horn scored the 4th touchdown last night, he didn't do anything stupid, he went and gave the ball back to aaron brooks. Football is a team game, just like everyone else. When a slugger hits a homerun and stands at home plate staring at the pitcher, that's just as bad. In hockey, when a player scores a goal, he doesn't skate to center ice and put his hands out for everyone to look at him. He gets mobbed by his teammates because they just scored. Football should be the same way.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - Cube Phenomenoligist 12/15/2003 @ 02:47:49 PM
The very fact that we're having this converations just legitamizes why the NFL, which is a business, should allow things like this to go on. Businesses everywhere would kill for their company to have a watercooler moment like this.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - No, I did not change your screen saver settings 12/15/2003 @ 04:09:52 PM
Point taken, probably a good one at that. However, I think the NFL is a good enough product all by itself without stuff like that. ps I no longer watch the NBA because of the selfcenteredness-type of league that it has become.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 12/15/2003 @ 05:18:36 PM
Newsflash: Peyton Manning threw 5 Touchdowns, Favre threw 4, Joe Horn caught 4 tds, the Cincinnait Bengals scored 41 points (they gave up 38 points and actually won), Rams clinch the NFC West. What is the significance of all these events (and more)? They were all overshadowed by a cell phone. That's what is the matter with what Joe Horn did. What people should be talking about at the water cooler is Peyton Manning setting a record for best start ever at QB, or (a bit biased) Ahman Green breaking the oldest team record for any team, not a celebration. The game is about performance and winning, and what Horn did is take the attention off of these performances and put it square on him. The fact that we are talking about it (and i'm sure lots of people, even non-football fans are talking about it) means that we are focussing our attention away from what's really important about the game.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jon - 3443 Posts 12/15/2003 @ 05:39:56 PM
It wouldn't overshadow the other things if everyone just let it go. I think 75% of all celebrations are lame, but mostly just cause they make the celebrator look lame. If they want to do that, then let them. Unless what someone is doing is legitimately hurting someone else, they are only making themselves look dumb. As soon as the PC police come in and do their obligatory piling on (trying to one up their fellow broadcaster by denouncing the player as loudly as they can for the longest time) it gets blown out of proportion. Every one of us watched our favorite team celebrate something in some stupid way within the last week to two weeks. And the thing is, we probably laughed and cheered it on. And it was no different than the cell phone (if you don't think 99 percent of the celebrations are pre-meditated then you're giving the athletes way too much credit for spontaneous creativity). The fact that the cell phone is making waves is probably just due to who did it, the fact that it was on national tv, and the fact that it was something new. (we can all think of players that would've gotten away with doing that without complaint. Also, wasn't the sharpie incident also on national tv? coincidence??)		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - You're going to have to call your hardware guy. It's not a software issue. 12/15/2003 @ 06:21:52 PM
I don't think that Joe Horn would be an easy target the way that other players might be (Randy Moss, TO, someone else, and when I say Randy Moss it is just because of the perception around the league, not necessarily my view on him). I get upset when I see Packer players doing the stupid celebrations (Donald Driver getting his picture taken by teammate Robert Ferguson, or when rookie mlb Nick Barnett swings his arms in a crazy way when he makes a tackle) Also, on a sportcenter spot where they featured historical celebrations, Michael Irving completely condoned and laughed along with the dances that his teammate, Deion Sanders performed (and the video showed Irving doing it along with him), but when they showed the lambeau leap he made it sound like it had no business in the game. Dan Patrick defended the lambeau leap as giving something back to the fans.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	icbizzle - I don't need to get steady I know just how I feel 12/15/2003 @ 06:40:17 PM
word to Jon's comments		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Micah - Bring down the Beast!!! 12/16/2003 @ 04:48:58 PM
I think the real problem here is the cell phone itself, and the goddamn people on them. I saw a group of 12 girls outside my house the other day going to a party that were all standing in a circle and 12 out of 12 were on their freakin' phones. For Christ sake, start talking to each other. One time back in the day on the Olberman-Patrick power hour, Patrick said, "And here's the Lambeau Leap, which is just getting a little bit old." Boy do I miss the glory days.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.