NFL 2003 Season Week 14 Picks

	Sarah - 4671 Posts 12/03/2003 @ 08:31:39 AM
Seriously Matt? You're going with the Bears? No wonder you're in last place.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jon - 3443 Posts 12/03/2003 @ 04:00:13 PM
Could somebody please make Jeremy proofread his comment?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9543 Posts 12/03/2003 @ 04:31:12 PM
Which comment needs proof reading?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jon - 3443 Posts 12/03/2003 @ 04:38:44 PM
none now that you changed them. although "two "easy" games left to the Packers 3 they..." could use a little work		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9543 Posts 12/03/2003 @ 05:40:47 PM
I try to proofread everything before I actually post the week. Just because you get to see it before the rest of the world, that can't figure out the tough naming scheme used in the URL's, doesn't mean you should get to rag on me. Sap.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - No, I did not change your screen saver settings 12/03/2003 @ 05:53:50 PM
Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah..... Something about tears on the pillow case nice reference to my song there Jon!!		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 12/03/2003 @ 05:54:40 PM
Who are Bret and Stephanie?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9543 Posts 12/03/2003 @ 06:40:06 PM
Friends of mine who got engaged.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4671 Posts 12/03/2003 @ 09:36:01 PM
Huh? I'm lost		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Matt - 3941 Posts 12/03/2003 @ 09:42:56 PM
What's new?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - How do you use these things? 12/03/2003 @ 09:52:19 PM
Not much, you?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Matt - Washington Bureau Chief 12/03/2003 @ 09:54:38 PM
I may be in last place according to your antiquated winning percentage. If you look at EqPct (Equivalent Winning Percentage), which is adjusted for the level that you care about football; ballpark effects; and other things, then you see that my .826 EqPct is much better that anyone else's (Jon .783; Sarah .712; Jeremy .621)		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - So's your face 12/03/2003 @ 10:56:22 PM
Ok, I'm not sure I'm buying this EqPct at all. Besides, Matt doesn't give a rip about football, so I don't see how your made up number is higher than ours.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Matt - Ombudsman 12/04/2003 @ 03:54:15 AM
That is why it's higher. Since I don't care as much about football, any game I pick correctly would be that much more important than if you, Jeremy, or say Ron Jaworski correctly picked one. Plus you forgot about park effects.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Matt - 3941 Posts 12/04/2003 @ 03:58:08 AM
I might also add that my EqPtc would be .914, but I factored in how much smarter I am than you guys, and that lowered it.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 12/04/2003 @ 11:07:51 PM
This is unrelated to football, and I didn't know where to post it: Scott Podsednik, Brewers rookie outfielder, reeled in his 3rd prestigious rookie of the year award with the This Year In Baseball top rookie, in a landslide. He also won rookie of the year in the players choice awards and the Sporting News named him top rookie as well. Why then, did the Baseball Writers Association of America, who award the most widely-recognized NL Rookie of the Year Award each year, vote for Dontrelle Willis? Clearly Scott was the best rookie in the league this year, but does playing on a bad team make his skills less than someone on a good team? This is still one of my biggest gripes with the game I love.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - No, I did not change your screen saver settings 12/05/2003 @ 10:42:36 AM
Ok, so the 49er game where Jon called out that I was going to be attending it didn't quite work out. But, the Bears game is my ticket to ride!!!! I'll be watching from Lambeau Field, so look for me. I'll be the guy wearing the Brett Favre jersey.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4671 Posts 12/05/2003 @ 10:51:45 AM
You should wear a Henderson jersey, that would be cool. I've wanted to go to a game since like 4th or 5th grade. I guess I'll never go. My cousin won 4 tickets to the Bears game, he didn't invite me. He also won 2 tickets to the last game of the season. (Bronco game) I also was not invited to that game as well. I can never catch a break. My relatives have been entering me in contests for over 10 years, and I've never won once. I just can't bite the bullet and pay $300 for a ticket. I'll never get to see Favre play a real game at Lambeau. I need to win the lottery.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 12/05/2003 @ 02:51:25 PM
"Kids grow up knee high in grasshoppers dreaming of this day: Freezing, frozen tundra of Lambeau Field. I'm glad I'm here."--Kevin Green of the Carolina Panthers during the pre-game of the 1996 NFC Championship game.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - So's your face 12/07/2003 @ 04:05:28 PM
Wow, what a comeback. The Packers have the Bears number. Poor Bears, they've really gotten better over the season, I tip my hat off to them. Now, even though they are out of the playoffs, (well all but) I hope they still give it their all next week against the Vikings. Rex Grossman could see some playing time next week. Teddy sure was sad today when his team lost, but I gave him a belly rub and he was ok. :) McKenzie had a great interception/td run (90 yds)and then I went back to the Vikings game center at nfl.com and saw they ran back an 80 yd interception. huh, how bout that? Wild. Every play is vital from here on out, so lets see what happens.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 1.21 Gigawatts!?!? 12/07/2003 @ 04:56:10 PM
I got Daunte Culpepper's autograph on my jersey. Boo Ya!		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - Always thinking of, but never about, the children. 12/07/2003 @ 06:43:56 PM
The NFC west is 4-21 on the road.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - On your mark...get set...Terrible! 12/07/2003 @ 08:21:29 PM
The coolest thing about the Packer game was not even the game itself, although that rocked. Before the game, following the national anthem, there was a fly-by of 4 F-14 Tomcats. It looked as if they were going to clip the top of the stadium they were flying so low. That in itself was a thrill of a lifetime. Oh, and Al Harris sucks.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jon - 3443 Posts 12/07/2003 @ 08:40:10 PM
The Vikings played their most impressive game yet. As did Daunte Culpepper. If they have 3 more games like this, DC should get MVP considerations. Oh yeah, and Randy Moss is a freak of nature. In a good way.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - How do you use these things? 12/07/2003 @ 10:55:12 PM
So many people went to the various games today, people I know that is. Al Harris can be good, but today just wasn't his day. I think he is an upgrade from Tyrone Williams though. But with the way Mike McKenzie was playing today, anyone would look bad. Butterfingers for MVP? Riiiight. (And no, I'm not talking about Ahman Green or Brett Favre for that matter.) :) I love football. Is anyone else watching Vick? Now that's a freak, in a VERY good way.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9543 Posts 12/07/2003 @ 11:07:41 PM
As if we weren't going to hear enough about Vick this week anyway. There actually might be more of a one man show in the league than the Ahman Green Bay Packers.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4671 Posts 12/07/2003 @ 11:12:26 PM
Screw you. Of course you didn't watch the game today, but it was not the Ahman Green show. It was a team effort, which is what it is every game.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	1C8345T - 3619 Posts 12/07/2003 @ 11:16:38 PM
People who think Oklahoma shouldn't be in the championship game are poopy heads.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - I hate our freedoms 12/07/2003 @ 11:54:17 PM
Considering the Packers were like 0-5 when Favre had over 200 yards passing coming into today, and that Ahman is 3rd in the league in rushing while Farve is 16th in the league for passing with 2358 yards (338 of which have been passes to Ahman), I think that is an apt analogy. Obviously other guys score on teams that are one man shows so the fact that Ahman happened to have one "poor" game doesn't change the fact that he is the team.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 12/08/2003 @ 08:27:30 AM
Lets get off this subject. We beat this dead horse pretty hard already. Oh yeah, and I like the Christmas scheme.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 12/08/2003 @ 08:29:29 AM
By the way, it is clearly Ryan Longwell's team.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9543 Posts 12/08/2003 @ 03:09:11 PM
I found this on a message board. Apparently the Bears game isn't a must win since any win from here on out would give the Vikes the tie breaker. Thus (assuming I'm reading this right and this dudes stats are right) if the Vikes get any win plus another win or if Packers get any loss from here on out it's all over in the Norse. Also any win puts the Vikes in the playoffs no matter what else happens. --------------------------------- 1. We beat the Bears, lose to Chiefs and Cards. We win Divisional Tiebreaker, Packers need to win out and hope we don't win. 2. We beat the Chiefs, lose to Bears and Cards. We tie Divisional Tiebreaker, Tie Conference Tiebreaker, and Win Strength of Victory Tiebreaker. Currently, we have a 47-42 Strength of Victory win total advantage. (Teams GB has beaten have won 42 games, teams we have beaten have won 47 games). If we beat KC, that total becomes 56-42. It makes it tough for GB to catch us since 2 of their last three games are against 3 win teams. If we beat KC, GB cannot catch our Strength of Victory unless TB, CHI, SD, and OAK win a lot of games, and Detroit, and Atlanta lose a lot of games. Because of this, Packers need to win out and hope we don't win. 3. We lose to the Bears, and Chiefs, and beat the Cards. We tie Divisional Tiebreaker and win Conference Tiebreaker. Packers need to win out and hope we don't win.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - Resident Tech Support 12/08/2003 @ 03:40:53 PM
I disagree with some of what that guy said. The strength of victory is 5th on the list of tie-breaking procedures. 1. Head to Head - Tie 2. Divisional record - If Vikes lose to Bears it will be a tie. 3. Record in Common Games - The record is even (not counting divisional games) The Packers lost to the Cards and the Chiefs (who the Vikes still play this year) and the Vikes lost to the Raiders and the Chargers, who the Packers also have yet to play. 4. Conference Record - currently in favor of the Vikes So basically, everything the guy said works out the way he stated it, but he didn't use the common games precedure, which would most likely go in the Vikes favor if the above senarios (spelling) go as stated. (wow, that was a long run on sentence.) Pretty much, all the Packers can hope for now is a miracle and/or a wildcard spot.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jon - 3443 Posts 12/08/2003 @ 06:01:57 PM
It really just comes down to the Vikings winning two games.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	1C8345T - 3619 Posts 12/08/2003 @ 06:36:18 PM
Can someone tell me why WR's get no love? I mean come on. Dante Culpepper for MVP? I hate the Vikings, but if anyone from their team should be MVP it should be Moss. Although it is way too soon to really pick an MVP. But that's not the point. Moss has caught 13 of the 27 TD passes that the Vikings QB's have thrown. When Culpepper was injured for two games , both of which the Vikings still won (nice MVP), Frerotte threw 5 of his 7 wounded duck TD passes to Moss. When he has needed to, Moss has stepped up and taken over. Just imagine if Culpepper didn't have him to just lob bombs to all game. Not a pretty thought. On a similar note, I want to make a pitch for a former Vikings ball boy. Larry Fitzgerald deserves to win the Heisman. Oklahoma's loss severely weakens Jason White's case for winning. There are no great players on undefeated teams. Fitzgerald has caught a TD in 18 straight games, even though opposing teams have designed their defensive strategy around stopping him. He plays for a decent team, with a decent quarterback, and he puts up crazy numbers and makes highlight catches every week. He leads the nation in scoring, receiving yards, and is 7th in receptions. He averaged almost 2 TDs a game and made Pittsburgh twice the team it would have been otherwise. He accomplished all this as a sophomore, which just makes it that much more incredible. He's so good, that he might challenge the NFL early entry rule because he is obviously ready for the NFL. If he doesn't win the Heisman it will be because of people that think that WR's can't take over a game. Neither can any one other player. RB's can't do anything without the offensive line. QB's can't do anything if their team doesn't have ball, or if WR's don't feel like catching the ball. WR's can be as dominant as any other player. Fitzgerald deserves the Heisman, and if the Vikings finish off the season well Moss deserves serious consideration for MVP.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - Get Up! Get outta here! Gone! 12/08/2003 @ 07:29:12 PM
Actually, the Viking game against the Seahawks didn't really that matter much as far as the Packers are concerned. All it did is make the Packers have to get a wildcard spot, which it will probably be easier to do anyway. I think that's how it goes anyway. The Seahawks and the cowboys have 2 tough games left, and I think they need to win them both (i'm counting on the Packers winning the last 3). Michael Vick for MVP. I think he won the World's Strongest Man competition last night, and he's nominated for 3 Oscars.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - How do you use these things? 12/08/2003 @ 08:56:21 PM
There's still plenty of time left in the season for stuff to happen. The Cowboys have some rough games and have been on the decline. The Seahawks have one home game and two road games, and have only won one game on the road this whole year. So, a wild card spot is not out of the question. The Division title is still a possibility for the Pack because anything can happen. I'm just worried about the fact that we play some really bad teams. We just don't want to win against those types of teams this season. Anyway we get into the playoffs works for me, I won't be picky.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Anon. Nut Can Fan (Guest) 12/08/2003 @ 11:25:59 PM
{{{{{{{{{{If they have 3 more games like this, DC should get MVP considerations.}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} take note of two things 1)that's an if-then statement (the "then" is implied) 2)MVP considerations I didn't say hand him the trophy (cause we all know he might drop it). It's not a far-fetched statement. Having three more of those games would likely place him near the top of basically every major qb category (and he missed two full games). And since the MVP race is wiiiiiiiiide open, Daunte would be as good a candidate as anyone. As for a wide receiver winning the MVP, as far as I know it's never happened...not even for Jerry Rice, so for anyone to do it would be tough. No one likes Moss. He could catch 200 for 3000 yards and he wouldn't get it. Besides from here on out every MVP will go to Vick. Every one.(NBA included)		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 12/09/2003 @ 01:33:52 PM
Two big milestones for the Packers this season: Ahman Green is 12 yards shy of breaking the Packers' single season rushing record currently held by Jim Taylor. Although his pace of scoring is not quite what it used to be, Brett Favre is just 5 TD passes away from moving into 2nd place all time. Fran Tarkenton is currently in second place. Favre is currently 83 behind Dan Marino, but who knows, if he sticks around as long as Marino did he could challenge it.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.