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New Law in Wisconsin

In a 5-2 vote yet another thing is illegal in Wisconsin.

The question is ... who are the two that voted against it?

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	Jeremy - 9543 Posts 07/10/2008 @ 11:08:00 AM
In Wednesday's 5-2 decision, the high court said Wisconsin law makes sex acts with dead people illegal because they are unable to give consent. Though this is important, I love the fact that we can't just say "this is wrong because....come on people....do you need a reason?" Now I say it's important because it's interpreting EXISTING laws so these 3 geniuses can be effected by them. Likewise the 2 who voted against it did so because they don't think the intent of the existing law was to prevent necrophilia. It was meant so that if you murdered than raped you could be charged with both crimes, same as if you raped and then murdered. Judges decisions are rarely as clear cut as "this is my opinion on this issue." I'm not sure how I feel about this, since I'd prefer people interpret intent of laws and not the letter of laws, but it seems like we should be able to get these 3 guys on something. I'd still like to see something down the road specifically spelled out regarding necrophilia. Even though I find it hard to believe that the only thing you can get people on for digging up a body to have sex with it, and putting their family through all that would entail at the worst possible time, is a misdemeanor attempted theft charge, which even then is a sort of ad-hoc punishment that a decent lawyer could probably get you out of. The only reason they got that was because they admitted they were going to take her home with them, if memory serves me, so if you did it right in the graveyard, would there be no punishment? I assume, though I might be wrong, that perhaps this is now precedent, so no further "spelling it out" is needed. Also, and I may have said this back when this story first broke, it seems to me the fact that there was 3 of them should factor into the punishment somehow, though I'm not sure how. One person can be messed up and have some sick ass thoughts. These three had to actually sit down, broach the topic, have a conversation about it, plan it out, pick a time, then go do it. They had to actually vocalize these thoughts to one another, none of them thought, "naw" or "I'm calling the cops." I don't know if it should, or how it would, mean more time, but to me it jumps it up exponentially the more people you have to get involved.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	Alex - But let history remember, that as free men, we chose to make it so! 07/10/2008 @ 01:11:13 PM
Not that I'm trying to defend them, but sometimes it's easier to do stupid things if someone else is willing to do it with you and/or talking you into it. That's why in multiple defendant scenarios there's usually someone who tries to cop a plea by saying it wasn't their idea and they didn't really want to do it blah blah blah. So potentially you can argue the numbers in either direction.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - Cube Phenomenoligist 07/10/2008 @ 01:18:53 PM
I see your point, I'm just saying that there's already crimes that adds some time if the crime is premeditated. I guess I didn't even mean it had to apply to all three, it very well cold only apply to the 'ring leader.' Even if only one of them wanted to do it, the process of vocalizing your intentions runs it through a whole other part of your brain. The very part of processing your thoughts into words makes you think that much more deeply about what you're trying to do. On top of that, feeling that it's a thought that it would be ok to share with other people speaks a lot to the inner workings of your brain and why we might not want to let you back into society so easily.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.
Jeremy screwed with this at 07/10/2008 1:19:30 pm

	craig - 132 Posts 07/11/2008 @ 09:27:14 PM
Jeremy Wrote - Yesterday @ 01:18:53 PM I see your point, I'm just saying that there's already crimes that adds some time if the crime is premeditated. I guess I didn't even mean it had to apply to all three, it very well cold only apply to the 'ring leader.' Even if only one of them wanted to do it, the process of vocalizing your intentions runs it through a whole other part of your brain. The very part of processing your thoughts into words makes you think that much more deeply about what you're trying to do. On top of that, feeling that it's a thought that it would be ok to share with other people speaks a lot to the inner workings of your brain and why we might not want to let you back into society so easily. You think to much. These sick fucks have been through enough, slap a 'attempted theft of a dead body' charge on them, throw them on probation, hand them each a shovel, and let them out. They have already ruined their lives, there's no need to be an ass about it.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
craig messed with this at 07/11/2008 9:27:54 pm

	Jeremy - Cube Phenomenoligist 07/11/2008 @ 09:55:03 PM
craig Wrote - Today @ 09:27:14 PM You think to much. Classic craig Wrote - Today @ 09:27:14 PM These sick fucks have been through enough, slap a 'attempted theft of a dead body' charge on them, throw them on probation, hand them each a shovel, and let them out. They have already ruined their lives, there's no need to be an ass about it. I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not, but you could make the "their lives are already ruined" argument about any crime. I know you're a big fan of "keep it simple, stupid" when it comes to laws. Also, way to make it to your 38th post before dropping the f-bomb.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
Jeremy screwed with this at 07/11/2008 9:55:26 pm

	craig - 132 Posts 07/11/2008 @ 10:05:56 PM
craig Wrote - Today @ 10:04:39 PM craig Wrote - Today @ 09:27:14 PM These sick fucks have been through enough, slap a 'attempted theft of a dead body' charge on them, throw them on probation, hand them each a shovel, and let them out. They have already ruined their lives, there's no need to be an ass about it. I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not, but you could make the "their lives are already ruined" argument about any crime. I know you're a big fan of "keep it simple, stupid" when it comes to laws. Also, way to make it to your 38th post before dropping the f-bomb. It's a wonder it took that long to drop the, as you say, f-bomb. Yes, you can make that argument about any crime, but most crimes aren't as embarrassing as this one. Even if you murder someone you can at least argue that you 'lost it in the heat of the moment', with this, I don't know what your rationalization would be. This crime was so sick and stupid, that, yes, I think the fact that EVERYONE you've ever known knows what a sick bastard you are, is punishment enough. With probation of course, and maybe an in person apology to the family, that would be nice.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - Super Chocolate Bear 07/11/2008 @ 10:18:41 PM
Yea, I hear you. I mean it was messed up as can be, and Three-Stooges-esq in its execution. The big thing is that as sad as it is, it probably wasn't even a crime at that time. As such, it's possible these morons walk. Though, to be fair, it's not as if I was arguing they all get the death penalty.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jon - 1 bajillion posts 07/13/2008 @ 04:09:40 PM
craig Wrote - 07/11/2008 @ 10:05:56 PM craig Wrote - 07/11/2008 @ 10:04:39 PM craig Wrote - 07/11/2008 @ 09:27:14 PM These sick fucks have been through enough, slap a 'attempted theft of a dead body' charge on them, throw them on probation, hand them each a shovel, and let them out. They have already ruined their lives, there's no need to be an ass about it. I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not, but you could make the "their lives are already ruined" argument about any crime. I know you're a big fan of "keep it simple, stupid" when it comes to laws. Also, way to make it to your 38th post before dropping the f-bomb. It's a wonder it took that long to drop the, as you say, f-bomb. Yes, you can make that argument about any crime, but most crimes aren't as embarrassing as this one. Even if you murder someone you can at least argue that you 'lost it in the heat of the moment', with this, I don't know what your rationalization would be. This crime was so sick and stupid, that, yes, I think the fact that EVERYONE you've ever known knows what a sick bastard you are, is punishment enough. With probation of course, and maybe an in person apology to the family, that would be nice. You mean the gently caressing bomb? Also, the embarassment factor is a tough thing to gague, because some criminals are so sick or deranged or whatever, that they aren't embarassed by it. Sure everyone else might treat them differently, so that is still a factor, but the people in their inner circle might not care at all or they might not care what other people think anyway. So it might not be a good rule to rely on the "hidden punishment" all the time.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
Jon edited this 3 times, last at 07/13/2008 4:12:43 pm

	craig - Damn it! I'm not lurking. Why does it say that? 07/25/2008 @ 08:33:55 PM
Jon Wrote - 07/13/2008 @ 04:09:40 PM Also, the embarassment factor is a tough thing to gague, because some criminals are so sick or deranged or whatever, that they aren't embarassed by it. Sure everyone else might treat them differently, so that is still a factor, but the people in their inner circle might not care at all or they might not care what other people think anyway. So it might not be a good rule to rely on the "hidden punishment" all the time. Fair enough, but as has been discussed, they may not have even committed a crime (beyond vandalism) during the implementation of their brilliant, though poorly executed, plan. Apparently though you now are required to give consent if they plan on having any postmortem sex, so think ahead. Now, I don't know what the new law says exactly, but what if someone does give consent before they die? I'd like to think our legislators thought this whole thing out, but past experience tells me they probably didn't. Somehow during the posting of this worthless comment, I discovered the death clock (http://www.deathclock.com/) which estimates how long you have to live. They take this semi-interesting information and run it through their data worthlessizer and give you the estimated time you have to live in the most convenient form possible: seconds! Nice! Jeremy Wrote - 07/11/2008 @ 09:55:03 PM Also, way to make it to your 38th post before dropping the f-bomb. Well, in my own defense, how would you describe them? Darned rascals? Ne'er-do-wells? Scoundrels? I think, given the context, my description is appropriate.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
craig perfected this at 07/25/2008 8:34:48 pm

	Jeremy - 9543 Posts 07/25/2008 @ 09:36:02 PM
I'm checking outta here in like 30 years. Say your goodbyes while you can. Edit: Apparently if I were to lose 20-30 pounds I would gain like a year or two, but being an optimistic fat-ass would add like 50 years onto my life.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
Jeremy perfected this at 07/25/2008 9:42:41 pm

	craig - is going to test the free agent market. 07/25/2008 @ 10:03:20 PM
Jeremy Wrote - Today @ 09:36:02 PM I'm checking outta here in like 30 years. Say your goodbyes while you can. Edit: Apparently if I were to lose 20-30 pounds I would gain like a year or two, but being an optimistic fat-ass would add like 50 years onto my life. Well wait, 30 years? I don't know what that means, how many seconds?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.