Jeremy - 9475 Posts 03/04/2008 @ 09:14:59 AM
I don't know why, Jay Glazer is a pretty reputable guy, but I just don't see this happening. Of all years, why this one?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 03/04/2008 @ 09:17:49 AM
Per ESPN: Mortensen reported that Favre, who wanted the Packers to obtain Randy Moss when he was a free agent last season, had once again pushed for Moss to join the Packers. Favre had spoken to Moss late last week and was willing to commit to more than just this season if Moss and the Packers could come to an agreement. But the Packers did not pursue Moss, who re-signed with the Patriots on Monday.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	PackOne - Make my own decisions. That's my perogative. 03/04/2008 @ 09:20:38 AM
It's all over ESPN and Biloxi Sun Times. It's official.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 03/04/2008 @ 09:36:19 AM
I love how even in retirement he remains a non-committal fans-come-last-if-at-all d-bag. You people deserve to hear it from the horses mouth. He told the Packers days ago, and somehow thought every minimum wage janitor and secretary was going to keep it under wraps?		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 3 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 03/04/2008 @ 09:55:29 AM
Though it does complete what I've been saying for years. 3-4 years ago the Packers sucked. Favre could have retired, Rodgers could have sucked right along with the team. I've been saying this whole time that instead of letting Rodgers learn while the team was building they were going to rebuild and rebuild and just when they got something Favre would pull the rug out from under them. Lets ignore the chance that last season was a lighting-in-a-bottle fluke, which happens all the time in the NFL. The Packers have a good defense, their running game is a bit overrated, their passing game was very good. Now the Packers might not suck, but instead of this year being the year A-Rod comes into his own, he'll be a first year starter. He'll get rushed more and teams will stack the line against the run. I mean what are you looking at now? Even last year the Packers won how many games by the skin of their teeth? You could pretty easily be looking at an 8-8 season, or worse, instead of a Super Bowl run. Of course, since life isn't fair, you'll probably go 16-0 and win the Super Bowl.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 2 times.
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	Carlos44ec - 2079 Posts 03/04/2008 @ 10:03:31 AM
http://www.officialbrettfavre.com/news/story_01330467aab8/		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - Pie Racist 03/04/2008 @ 10:04:34 AM
They say that sometimes older people hang on just long enough to watch one of their loved ones go. So keep your eyes peeled for John Madden's obituary any day now.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 03/04/2008 @ 11:12:47 AM
Packers.com has been converted to a "one-page-style" bandwidth saving page. It's about as official as it can get without him announcing it on camera. The questions is when the hell will that be? We'll have to put the Nutcan into mourning mode.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Carlos44ec - 2079 Posts 03/04/2008 @ 11:39:52 AM
dress it in black and grey- change the rating nuts to packer helmets and the turds to vikings or bears ones.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	premierdj 03/04/2008 @ 12:46:00 PM
New conference is scheduled for 3:00 with Coach McCarthy and Ted Thompson. One wonders if this MAY be like Michael Jordan retiring. I think that question can not be officially answered until Brett is personally able to see how Aaron Rodgers does in camp. Chances are that it would never happen, but there is no doubt in my mind that Favre's retirement was based on his personal doubts especially after the final loss to the Giants. If ANYTHING would bring him out of retirement for one more year it may be knowing that the Packers DO need him. Once again, there is little chance that it would ever happen. As a side note it is mildly interesting that #4 retired on the 4th. Kind of how the events of September 11 happened on a day that is also known as the National "emergency" phone number of 911. Just rambling and stunned.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 2 times.

	Jeremy - The pig says "My wife is a slut?" 03/04/2008 @ 01:23:53 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/broadband/video/videopage?&brand=null&videoId=3276483&n8pe6c=2 So he only wanted to come back the last few years if he was successful, and in the end quit because he was too successful last year.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 03/04/2008 @ 03:41:20 PM
Press conference is live right now, Brett isn't there though, but it's as official as could be without Favre himself saying it.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	PackOne - 1528 Posts 03/04/2008 @ 04:53:58 PM
Jeremy, somedays you're a real douche.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 2 times.
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	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 03/04/2008 @ 05:04:02 PM
Why is that? I don't think nutcan has been in mourning since a president died, I thought you'd consider it an honor.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.
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	PackOne - 1528 Posts 03/04/2008 @ 05:25:30 PM
I'm just upset no offense. I didn't really equate the change with mourning initially. I'm sure people can say similar things about related topics, but I heard the news on Brett this early this morning just as it broke. I had to leave for work shortly thereafter, and had to spend most of the day watching Favre highlights on a muted big-screen. I could barely hold it in, and by the time I got home I was crying like a baby. As you get older one looks for consistency and things you can count on, Brett Favre was all of that to me. I can’t even count the number of memories I have that have revolved around Brett and the Packers. I have refused to work on Sunday’s my entire life, not because I’m religious, because I’m a Packer fan. I feel like I have lost part of my soul today. You won't understand this, but Favre was my "Question 15."		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - I believe virtually everything I read. 03/04/2008 @ 05:31:38 PM
Oh, it'll certainly be weird for a long time. The Broncos and Dolphins still look odd without Elway and Marino, and they've been gone forever, and I didn't watch that much of them. I'm willing to bet Sarah is having a crummy day as well. If you didn't equate the colors with mourning, what did you think it meant, and why would whatever is was make me a douche?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	PackOne - That hypocrite smokes two packs a day. 03/04/2008 @ 05:36:49 PM
Uh the front page article, the complete take over of the thread with implied insults. I don't know, it struck me as 'douche like' behavior. EDIT: I just thought the colors meant you were bored.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
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	Jeremy - The pig says "My wife is a slut?" 03/04/2008 @ 05:41:48 PM
I chuckled at this joke when someone reworded it when moss was traded, maybe you'll chuckle too. Her Diary Tuesday night I thought he was acting weird. We had made plans to meet at a bar to have a drink. I was shopping with my friends all day long, so I thought he was upset at the fact that I was a bit late, but he made no comment.Conversation wasn’t flowing so I suggested that we go somewhere quiet so we could talk, he agreed but he kept quiet and absent. I asked him what was wrong he said nothing. I asked him if it was my fault that he was upset. He said it had nothing to do with me and not to worry. On the way home I told him that I loved him, he simply smiled and kept driving. I can’t explain his behavior; I don’t know why he didn’t say I love you too. When we got home I felt as if had lost him, as if he wanted nothing to do with me anymore. He just sat there and watched T.V. he seemed distant and absent. Finally I decided to go to bed, about 10 minutes later he came to bed and to my surprise he responded to my caress and we made love, but I still felt that he was distracted and his thoughts where somewhere else. I decided that I could not take it anymore so I decided to confront him with the situation but he had fallen asleep. I started crying and cried until I too fell asleep. I don’t know what to do, I’m almost sure that his thoughts are with someone else. My life is a disaster. His Diary Today Brett Favre retired, but at least I got laid.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	Jeremy - 1.21 Gigawatts!?!? 03/04/2008 @ 05:47:00 PM
The front page thing was a combo of an inside reference (from another thread) and the fact that I'm working and don't have time to put anything else there. Type something up and I'll put it there. I can send you the Brett Favre Article word template if you need it. The "take over" was just because no one else was here all day and I was updating for posterity sake. The implied insults were because we're rivals and that's what we do.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	PackOne - 1528 Posts 03/04/2008 @ 05:50:04 PM
Nice post. Made me laugh.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
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	PackOne - She's got the whole wide world singing baby's song. 03/04/2008 @ 05:51:04 PM
Jeremy Wrote - 03/04/2008 @ 05:47:00 PM The front page thing was a combo of an inside reference (from another thread) and the fact that I'm working and don't have time to put anything else there. Type something up and I'll put it there. I can send you the Brett Favre Article word template if you need it. The "take over" was just because no one else was here all day and I was updating for posterity sake. The implied insults were because we're rivals and that's what we do. I know. The Vikings still suck.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - I hate our freedoms 03/04/2008 @ 05:52:16 PM
The NFCN is ripe for the taking now! Game on, Mister!		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
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	PackOne - The girls all know he's "way cool" Jr. 03/04/2008 @ 06:02:46 PM
Jeremy Wrote - 03/04/2008 @ 05:52:16 PM The NFCN is ripe for the taking now! Game on, Mister! See Big Ben and Tom Brady. I'm not worried, just disappointed. The Packers have the most talent by a long shot.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 03/04/2008 @ 06:04:11 PM
Big Ben and Tom Brady play for the Steelers and Patriots respectively. I'm not sure how their talents help the Packers.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	PackOne - You analyze me. Tend to despise me. You laugh when I stumble and fall. 03/04/2008 @ 06:16:40 PM
First year starting QB's with talented teams, that went all the way. EDIT(tm): Not to mention now the Vikes are stooping low enough to talk to Kearse. Can you say desperation.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
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	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 03/04/2008 @ 06:20:44 PM
Well then, you'll have no excuse for losing the division then, will you?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 03/04/2008 @ 06:46:20 PM
Bob Harlan says it best I really felt all day that I just wanted someone to talk to about it. Ya know. It's just that kind of thing. I told Melissa (my wife) that it really almost feels like a death in the family. For almost as long as I can remember (I would have been about 8 years old when Favre threw his first completion to himself) Brett Favre has been in my living for 16+ Sundays every single year. The really sad thing is that the era of the Packers that I have grown up with is finally gone. Bob Harlan said in that video that the corp that he felt brought the Packers back to the elite state consisted of Ron Wolf, Mike Holmgren, Brett Favre, and Reggie White, and now all of those icons are gone. Brett Favre was fun to watch. I've said this for a while, but I truly feel honored and very very lucky to have grown up being able to watch (and root for) the career of one of the greatest players to play the game. My dad got to watch Hank Aaron first hand as he played for the Milwaukee Braves, and I feel so fortunate to have witnessed the career of one of the greats from start to finish. It's a sad day for the Green Bay Packers, and no matter how you felt about the guy, it's a sad day for the NFL. He will be missed.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 2 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 03/04/2008 @ 06:53:24 PM
I don't mean to give anyone any false hope, just tossing this out there, but on a scale of 1-10 how shocked would you be if he decided to come back after all like a week from now? I'd rate it like a 2. It just makes so little sense for him to retire I don't think I'll truly believe it until Rodgers takes the opening snap in week one.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	PackOne - 1528 Posts 03/04/2008 @ 07:06:14 PM
It would not surprise me at all. I have read alot of stories saying that Favre felt he wasn't wanted. After today's shut down of the universe, he might re-consider. EDIT(tm): I am anxiously awaiting the tax lady's take.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
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	Sarah - 4605 Posts 03/04/2008 @ 07:10:11 PM
I got the news from Jeremy early this morning, and i didn't really let it sink in all day. Then he played Favre's voicemail for me while I was driving home, and it finally got to me. I turned on ESPN when I got home and just made it for a halftime report. The leading story was of course Favre, with the ticker showing his name as every other headline as well, just to rub it in. I'm crushed. Favre is the reason why I love football. I saw him take over that first game and I've been hooked ever since. With him leading the Pack, I still had a bit of my childhood to cling to, despite the fact that I am now 26. I feel like we've lost more than our quarterback and I don't understand why. Every year teams try to win the Super Bowl, that's the whole point of the season, but you've gotta enjoy the journey along the way, and I thought that's what Favre did. That's why people enjoyed watching him play. At least I've got some great memories.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 2 times.

	Jeremy - I believe virtually everything I read. 03/04/2008 @ 07:12:32 PM
You turned to ESPN for the sole purpose of getting some news on the Favre story and then considered it "rubbing it in" that they reported it?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	PackOne - 1528 Posts 03/04/2008 @ 07:21:10 PM
premierdj Wrote - 03/04/2008 @ 12:46:00 PM As a side note it is mildly interesting that #4 retired on the 4th. Kind of how the events of September 11 happened on a day that is also known as the National "emergency" phone number of 911. Just rambling and stunned. I thought the same thing.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - So's your face 03/04/2008 @ 07:32:07 PM
Jeremy Wrote - 03/04/2008 @ 07:12:32 PM You turned to ESPN for the sole purpose of getting some news on the Favre story and then considered it "rubbing it in" that they reported it? To quote my fellow packer fans, don't be a douche.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 2 times.

	Alex - 3619 Posts 03/04/2008 @ 07:37:28 PM
Jeremy Wrote - 03/04/2008 @ 05:52:16 PM The NFCN is ripe for the taking now! Game on, Mister! Too soon.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - How do you use these things? 03/04/2008 @ 07:40:48 PM
Maybe this is some conspiracy to distract people from voting in Texas, Ohio, Rhode Island, and Vermont(?) today. Tomorrow it'll be like today never happened and we can go back to how it has been for the last 16 years.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	Alex - 3619 Posts 03/04/2008 @ 07:42:01 PM
Jeremy Wrote - 03/04/2008 @ 06:53:24 PM I don't mean to give anyone any false hope, just tossing this out there, but on a scale of 1-10 how shocked would you be if he decided to come back after all like a week from now? I'd rate it like a 2. It just makes so little sense for him to retire I don't think I'll truly believe it until Rodgers takes the opening snap in week one. Rodgers gets hurt (again) in the 4th quarter in week 1, out of no where Favre jumps onto the field, rips off his break away clothing to reveal a full Packer's uniform, and leads the team on a 50 point comeback with no timeouts.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 2 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 03/04/2008 @ 07:48:50 PM
Sarah Wrote - 03/04/2008 @ 07:32:07 PM Jeremy Wrote - 03/04/2008 @ 07:12:32 PM You turned to ESPN for the sole purpose of getting some news on the Favre story and then considered it "rubbing it in" that they reported it? To quote my fellow packer fans, don't be a douche. Doc, it hurts when I do this.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.
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	Alex - Refactor Mercilessly 03/04/2008 @ 07:49:20 PM
Jeremy Wrote - 03/04/2008 @ 09:36:19 AM I love how even in retirement he remains a non-committal fans-come-last-if-at-all d-bag. You people deserve to hear it from the horses mouth. Horse's mouth says: What you lookin' at (Willis)? You all a bunch of "cool people". You know why? You don't have the guts to be what you wanna be. You need people like me. You need people like me so you can point your fingers and say, "That's the bad guy." So... what that make you? Good? You're not good. You just know how to hide, how to lie. Me, I don't have that problem. Me, I always tell the truth. Even when I lie. So say good night to the bad guy! Come on. The last time you gonna see a bad guy like this again, let me tell you. Come on. Make way for the bad guy. There's a bad guy comin' through! Better get outta his way!		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	PackOne - There's music to play. Places to go. People to see. 03/04/2008 @ 07:53:17 PM
A great story from ESPN on Brett and Jim McMahon before the Superbowl. Now there is a trivia question. Favre Confidential: The unauthorized stories March 4, 2008 5:54 PM My pal Bryan Broaddus served as the college scouting administrator for the Packers from 1992 to '96, and like most people in the organization, he walked away with some great Brett Favre stories. Bryan says that Favre and backup Jim McMahon spent the moments before Super Bowl XXXI firing footballs at nameplates in the locker room. They were sitting in front of their lockers hurling passes across the room while skill players attempted to duck out of the way. "McMahon was just trying to keep everyone loose," Bryan said. "But then it became a big competition and Brett was raring back throwing as hard as he could. When Mike [Holmgren] walked in, everyone was just froze." Bryan also remembers McMahon paying clubhouse attendants to pick up food when the Packers were on the road. "Marty Mornhinweg or whoever would be making halftime adjustments, and Brett would be over there eating a shrimp po'boy. And if we were in Chicago, he and McMahon usually had a hot dog." The last story he told me was one I'd heard before. The Packers were hosting the Raiders in the early 1990s, and the weather was awful. Holmgren was on the sideline pounding on Favre's shoulder pads in an attempt to drive home a point, but his young quarterback just kept staring at him. After a minute or so passed, Holmgren snarled, "What the hell are you looking at?" "Mike, you should see all the [expletive] in your mustache right now," Favre deadpanned before turning to jog back onto the field. And I think that's what we'll miss the most about Favre. Beyond all the ridiculous numbers he put up, Favre simply knew how to have fun.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - So's your face 03/04/2008 @ 08:17:00 PM
http://www.packers.com/news/releases/2008/03/04/2/ I wish i got the NFL Network...		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 03/04/2008 @ 08:22:29 PM
That's not a bit over the top or anything.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Bret - Haha Jeremy I'm going to try and break your website with a buffer overflow comment. Oh shoot I don't know what else to type... 03/04/2008 @ 08:41:17 PM
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	Carlos44ec - 2079 Posts 03/04/2008 @ 09:21:41 PM
Alright... maybe it's that I've been busy as hell all day or that I'm finally thinking about it... I'm actually getting kinda sentimental.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Matt - Nutcan.com's MBL 03/04/2008 @ 11:29:59 PM
Alex Wrote - 03/04/2008 @ 07:42:01 PM Jeremy Wrote - 03/04/2008 @ 06:53:24 PM I don't mean to give anyone any false hope, just tossing this out there, but on a scale of 1-10 how shocked would you be if he decided to come back after all like a week from now? I'd rate it like a 2. It just makes so little sense for him to retire I don't think I'll truly believe it until Rodgers takes the opening snap in week one. Rodgers gets hurt (again) in the 4th quarter in week 1, out of no where Favre jumps onto the field, rips off his break away clothing to reveal a full Packer's uniform, and leads the team on a 50 point comeback with no timeouts. "Rodgers gets hurt (again) in the 4th quarter in week 1, out of no where Favre jumps onto the field, rips off his break away clothing to reveal a full Packer's uniform, and leads the team on a 50 point comeback with no timeouts throws an interception; ending the game." FIXED!!!		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 3 times.

	Matt - Ombudsman 03/04/2008 @ 11:33:03 PM
PackOne Wrote - 03/04/2008 @ 07:53:17 PM A great story from ESPN on Brett and Jim McMahon before the Superbowl. Now there is a trivia question. Favre Confidential: The unauthorized stories March 4, 2008 5:54 PM My pal Bryan Broaddus served as the college scouting administrator for the Packers from 1992 to '96, and like most people in the organization, he walked away with some great Brett Favre stories. Bryan says that Favre and backup Jim McMahon spent the moments before Super Bowl XXXI firing footballs at nameplates in the locker room. They were sitting in front of their lockers hurling passes across the room while skill players attempted to duck out of the way. "McMahon was just trying to keep everyone loose," Bryan said. "But then it became a big competition and Brett was raring back throwing as hard as he could. When Mike [Holmgren] walked in, everyone was just froze." Bryan also remembers McMahon paying clubhouse attendants to pick up food when the Packers were on the road. "Marty Mornhinweg or whoever would be making halftime adjustments, and Brett would be over there eating a shrimp po'boy. And if we were in Chicago, he and McMahon usually had a hot dog." The last story he told me was one I'd heard before. The Packers were hosting the Raiders in the early 1990s, and the weather was awful. Holmgren was on the sideline pounding on Favre's shoulder pads in an attempt to drive home a point, but his young quarterback just kept staring at him. After a minute or so passed, Holmgren snarled, "What the hell are you looking at?" "Mike, you should see all the [expletive] in your mustache right now," Favre deadpanned before turning to jog back onto the field. And I think that's what we'll miss the most about Favre. Beyond all the ridiculous numbers he put up, Favre simply knew how to have fun. Anyone else does things like this, and it's them showing a lack of professionalism. Favre does it, and he's just a good old boy having some fun.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 2 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 03/04/2008 @ 11:40:51 PM
Matt Wrote - 03/04/2008 @ 11:33:03 PM PackOne Wrote - 03/04/2008 @ 07:53:17 PM A great story from ESPN on Brett and Jim McMahon before the Superbowl. Now there is a trivia question. Favre Confidential: The unauthorized stories March 4, 2008 5:54 PM My pal Bryan Broaddus served as the college scouting administrator for the Packers from 1992 to '96, and like most people in the organization, he walked away with some great Brett Favre stories. Bryan says that Favre and backup Jim McMahon spent the moments before Super Bowl XXXI firing footballs at nameplates in the locker room. They were sitting in front of their lockers hurling passes across the room while skill players attempted to duck out of the way. "McMahon was just trying to keep everyone loose," Bryan said. "But then it became a big competition and Brett was raring back throwing as hard as he could. When Mike [Holmgren] walked in, everyone was just froze." Bryan also remembers McMahon paying clubhouse attendants to pick up food when the Packers were on the road. "Marty Mornhinweg or whoever would be making halftime adjustments, and Brett would be over there eating a shrimp po'boy. And if we were in Chicago, he and McMahon usually had a hot dog." The last story he told me was one I'd heard before. The Packers were hosting the Raiders in the early 1990s, and the weather was awful. Holmgren was on the sideline pounding on Favre's shoulder pads in an attempt to drive home a point, but his young quarterback just kept staring at him. After a minute or so passed, Holmgren snarled, "What the hell are you looking at?" "Mike, you should see all the [expletive] in your mustache right now," Favre deadpanned before turning to jog back onto the field. And I think that's what we'll miss the most about Favre. Beyond all the ridiculous numbers he put up, Favre simply knew how to have fun. Anyone else does things like this, and it's them showing a lack of professionalism. Favre does it, and he's just a good old boy having some fun. Now now, to be fair the first story was a story of him being a jerk, not just unprofessional.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	Sarah - How do you use these things? 03/05/2008 @ 05:58:48 AM
Jeremy Wrote - 03/04/2008 @ 11:40:51 PM Matt Wrote - 03/04/2008 @ 11:33:03 PM PackOne Wrote - 03/04/2008 @ 07:53:17 PM A great story from ESPN on Brett and Jim McMahon before the Superbowl. Now there is a trivia question. Favre Confidential: The unauthorized stories March 4, 2008 5:54 PM My pal Bryan Broaddus served as the college scouting administrator for the Packers from 1992 to '96, and like most people in the organization, he walked away with some great Brett Favre stories. Bryan says that Favre and backup Jim McMahon spent the moments before Super Bowl XXXI firing footballs at nameplates in the locker room. They were sitting in front of their lockers hurling passes across the room while skill players attempted to duck out of the way. "McMahon was just trying to keep everyone loose," Bryan said. "But then it became a big competition and Brett was raring back throwing as hard as he could. When Mike [Holmgren] walked in, everyone was just froze." Bryan also remembers McMahon paying clubhouse attendants to pick up food when the Packers were on the road. "Marty Mornhinweg or whoever would be making halftime adjustments, and Brett would be over there eating a shrimp po'boy. And if we were in Chicago, he and McMahon usually had a hot dog." The last story he told me was one I'd heard before. The Packers were hosting the Raiders in the early 1990s, and the weather was awful. Holmgren was on the sideline pounding on Favre's shoulder pads in an attempt to drive home a point, but his young quarterback just kept staring at him. After a minute or so passed, Holmgren snarled, "What the hell are you looking at?" "Mike, you should see all the [expletive] in your mustache right now," Favre deadpanned before turning to jog back onto the field. And I think that's what we'll miss the most about Favre. Beyond all the ridiculous numbers he put up, Favre simply knew how to have fun. Anyone else does things like this, and it's them showing a lack of professionalism. Favre does it, and he's just a good old boy having some fun. Viking fans, bitter til the end. Now now, to be fair the first story was a story of him being a jerk, not just unprofessional.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 2 times.

	Carlos44ec - Since 1980! 03/05/2008 @ 07:36:50 AM
Haters. Haters and wankers.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 2 times.

	PackOne - First I limp to the side like my leg was broken. 03/05/2008 @ 07:46:38 AM
Haters, Wankers, and Vikes ... Oh my. Plus, if they made the re-make, Matt would be one of those creepy flying monkey things. Jeremy would hands down be the little dog 'Toto' or Dorothy only with purple magic slippers. Maybe that's what the Queens need, purple magic slippers. Alex, Sarah, Pack One. and Carlos would of course all be wonderful wizards.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 03/05/2008 @ 08:15:12 AM
I fell left out a bit.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 2 times.

	Carlos44ec - Knuckle Sammich 03/05/2008 @ 08:22:48 AM
I don't want to be a Wizard. Let Alex be the Wiz. I want to be the sentry with the halberd.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	Jeremy - Always thinking of, but never about, the children. 03/05/2008 @ 08:40:50 AM
PackOne Wrote - 03/05/2008 @ 07:46:38 AM Haters, Wankers, and Vikes ... Oh my. Plus, if they made the re-make, Matt would be one of those creepy flying monkey things. Jeremy would hands down be the little dog 'Toto' or Dorothy only with purple magic slippers. Maybe that's what the Queens need, purple magic slippers. Alex, Sarah, Pack One. and Carlos would of course all be wonderful wizards. I'm not so sure you've ever seen that movie.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	PackOne - 1528 Posts 03/05/2008 @ 09:41:03 AM
Sorry Scott, you can be one of the farmers before the tornado. I'll get you my pretty, and your little Queen lover Jeremy too. Que flying Ombudsmans.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - Broadcast in stunning 1080i 03/05/2008 @ 09:52:57 AM
So let me get this straight. I'm Dorothy, the lead character, cinema icon. Scott is one of the farmers (and therefor either the Tin Man, Lion, or Scarecrow that goes with me, helping me on my journey, but is either stupid, a coward, or empty inside). Matt is a flying Monkey, you are his leader the Wicked Witch. All Packer fans are summed up by the Wizard character (there was no Wizard Army) who does everything possible to be a douche, only begrudgingly helping after his con job on the munchkins is foiled by Toto, also played by me. I don't think you thought your cunning insult against Viking fans all the way through. The question is this, who gets to be the guy who hangs himself in the forest and how does Pink Floyd come into our analogy?		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	PackOne - First I limp to the side like my leg was broken. 03/05/2008 @ 10:08:30 AM
It wasn't the analogy I was going for. Merely you in a dress and purple slippers.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 03/05/2008 @ 10:22:04 AM
So you've given me the ability to wish for anything I want, in exchange for being in a dress? I think I'd take that deal.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Carlos44ec - 2079 Posts 03/05/2008 @ 11:31:12 AM
No offense PackOne, but he did work that completely to his advantage. Edit- although.. thinking about it, Jeremy has again found it possible to turn this statement on Brett Favre into a discussion that's all about him... good job Jerm.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
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	Jeremy - 1.21 Gigawatts!?!? 03/05/2008 @ 12:05:28 PM
Carlos44ec Wrote - 03/05/2008 @ 11:31:12 AM although.. thinking about it, Jeremy has again found it possible to turn this statement on Brett Favre into a discussion that's all about him... good job Jerm. PackOne Wrote - 03/05/2008 @ 07:46:38 AM Plus, if they made the re-make, Matt would be one of those creepy flying monkey things. Jeremy would hands down be the little dog 'Toto' or Dorothy only with purple magic slippers. Maybe that's what the Queens need, purple magic slippers. Alex, Sarah, Pack One. and Carlos would of course all be wonderful wizards. I'm the subject of 30% of the above words and Favre is clocking in at 0. I don't know how I "made it" about anything.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	PackOne - 1528 Posts 03/05/2008 @ 12:25:32 PM
Fine. Freakin over analyzers. Alex, Scott, Carlos, and Sarah are Peter, Susan, Edmund, and Lucy. Innocent Packer fans. Matt is appropriately Queen Jadis the purple witch. Jeremy is the dwarf hands down. I of course am Aslan. I thought of casting Jeremy as Mr. Tumnus, because although a Viking fan, he could have a change of heart and come to the good side, eventually. For now, your the stupid dwarf.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Alex - 3619 Posts 03/05/2008 @ 12:51:54 PM
So these are the types of conversations we'll have now that football has retired?		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 2 times.

	PackOne - Make my own decisions. That's my perogative. 03/05/2008 @ 12:55:53 PM
Aaron Rodgers mustache can throw 85 yards.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	Alex - Ignorance is bliss to those uneducated 03/05/2008 @ 01:06:24 PM
Carlos44ec Wrote - 03/05/2008 @ 08:22:48 AM I don't want to be a Wizard. Let Alex be the Wiz. I want to be the sentry with the halberd. If I was the wizard, no one would need fancy shoes (unless they had a speed boost, that's useful) because I could just open a portal to get everyone back to Stormwind. Of course first we'd take out the wicked witch and her flying monkeys. I could sheep the witch, then our tank (probably the tin man) would have to aggro the monkeys and I'd use blizzard then to help take them out quick, then use arcane missles and counterspell on the wicked witch.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 1.21 Gigawatts!?!? 03/05/2008 @ 01:09:16 PM
Carlos44ec Wrote - 03/05/2008 @ 08:22:48 AM I don't want to be a Wizard. Let Alex be the Wiz. [Click to Enlarge]		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - I believe virtually everything I read. 03/05/2008 @ 01:12:40 PM
Alex Wrote - 03/05/2008 @ 01:06:24 PM If I was the wizard, no one would need fancy shoes (unless they had a speed boost, that's useful) because I could just open a portal to get everyone back to Stormwind. Of course first we'd take out the wicked witch and her flying monkeys. I could sheep the witch, then our tank (probably the tin man) would have to aggro the monkeys and I'd use blizzard then to help take them out quick, then use arcane missles and counterspell on the wicked witch. Alex Wrote - 03/05/2008 @ 12:51:54 PM So these are the types of conversations we'll have now that football has retired?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - I believe virtually everything I read. 03/05/2008 @ 01:18:32 PM
Ah! The colors!		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Alex - I was too weak to give in Too strong to lose 03/05/2008 @ 01:29:37 PM
Jeremy Wrote - 03/05/2008 @ 01:12:40 PM Alex Wrote - 03/05/2008 @ 01:06:24 PM If I was the wizard, no one would need fancy shoes (unless they had a speed boost, that's useful) because I could just open a portal to get everyone back to Stormwind. Of course first we'd take out the wicked witch and her flying monkeys. I could sheep the witch, then our tank (probably the tin man) would have to aggro the monkeys and I'd use blizzard then to help take them out quick, then use arcane missles and counterspell on the wicked witch. Alex Wrote - 03/05/2008 @ 12:51:54 PM So these are the types of conversations we'll have now that football has retired? If you can't beat 'em, join 'em.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Micah - 584 Posts 03/05/2008 @ 02:33:06 PM
Two things...I, as a Lions fan, would clearly be the guy hanging himself. Also, my former boss worked for the real Wiz when he was in college. When you move out of the midwest, you meet so many celebrities.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	Scott - Resident Tech Support 03/05/2008 @ 05:49:40 PM
The horses mouth tomorrow.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Matt - 3875 Posts 03/05/2008 @ 07:14:02 PM
PackOne Wrote - 03/05/2008 @ 12:25:32 PM I of course am Aslan. Since Aslan = Christ, I would have thought that Brett Favre would have been Aslan.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
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	Micah - 584 Posts 03/05/2008 @ 07:19:40 PM
First you have to pull this thorn out of my paw....go on, pull my thorn.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	PackOne - The Harvard comma's #1 fan. 03/05/2008 @ 07:53:23 PM
Matt Wrote - 03/05/2008 @ 07:14:02 PM PackOne Wrote - 03/05/2008 @ 12:25:32 PM I of course am Aslan. Since Aslan = Christ, I would have thought that Brett Favre would have been Aslan. Technically, that would make me the son of Brett Favre.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - No, I did not change your screen saver settings 03/06/2008 @ 06:13:15 PM
Have a tissue handy I gotta say, for all the talk about Brett Favre being "standoffish" about fans, I gotta say that throughout his career he just does not look comfortable in front of the mic. I think that's all it comes down to. He's just a guy that doesn't like to have the spotlight on him and I think that has made him come off a certain way to some people.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 03/06/2008 @ 07:28:38 PM
Here's a video from 1995. A couple things I found interesting about this. He had been in the league for less than 3 years and people were already talking him as "I haven't ever seen anyone like him." And, watching some of the highlights you have to wonder where that running ability of his went to. I mean it's not that he was a Michael Vick or anything, but he went from a guy who seemed to take off at the first sign of trouble to a guy who never ever ran the ball past the line of scrimmage. Either way, Packers.com has a ton of Favre videos that are really fun to watch.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	PackOne - Take your shirt off, twist it 'round yo' hand...spin it like a helicopter. 03/06/2008 @ 09:35:31 PM
Try packerforum.com		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
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	Sarah - So's your face 03/07/2008 @ 07:30:11 PM
http://www.packersnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080307/GPG0101/803070764/1989 7.99 for the issue, with about 850,000 nationwide... so all of you who aren't in the WI area, maybe you can hook us up, since I'm sure they'll be sold out here before we can get to them...		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	PackOne - That hypocrite smokes two packs a day. 03/07/2008 @ 08:36:03 PM
Please anyone.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 03/09/2008 @ 12:35:26 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=paolantonio_sal&id=3281535		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Alex - Who controls the past now controls the future 03/09/2008 @ 01:00:52 PM
When the legend becomes fact, print the legend. If one was to look back through this site, I think it could be said that I've given Favre a pretty fair evaluation over the years, at least for a Packers fan. That said, as bad as Favre was in the playoffs he was a big reason that they even got to the playoffs that often. Not that that should be an excuse. The excuse is that Holmgren left. Like Kobe and Shaq, this breakup didn't really work out for either one of them.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 03/10/2008 @ 11:32:36 AM
Sarah Wrote - 03/07/2008 @ 07:30:11 PM http://www.packersnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080307/GPG0101/803070764/1989 7.99 for the issue, with about 850,000 nationwide... so all of you who aren't in the WI area, maybe you can hook us up, since I'm sure they'll be sold out here before we can get to them... Don't you think, seeing as they are printing the special more expensive issue just to take advantage of you saps, that they will take that into consideration and won't ship as many to Wyoming as they do to Wisconsin? If anything someone will be sending a copy to Scott.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 03/10/2008 @ 12:18:57 PM
I'll let someone know if I need one, because it might be the case.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - How do you use these things? 03/10/2008 @ 08:12:04 PM
I am going to go and read my issue now and let you know how awesome it is.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4605 Posts 03/29/2008 @ 11:35:47 AM
Rob Davis retired! What's left? I think our longest tenured player now is DD from 99. Sigh.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - Robots don't say 'ye' 03/29/2008 @ 11:38:48 AM
I for one am looking forward to the Rob Davis special edition of SI.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	PackOne - 1528 Posts 03/29/2008 @ 12:07:55 PM
Sarah Wrote - 03/29/2008 @ 11:35:47 AM Rob Davis retired! What's left? I think our longest tenured player now is DD from 99. Sigh. He works for the Packers off the field now.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4605 Posts 04/03/2008 @ 06:54:16 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=txfavreretirement&prov=st&type=lgns I think I just died a little.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	PackOne - You analyze me. Tend to despise me. You laugh when I stumble and fall. 04/03/2008 @ 11:38:57 PM
It's bull. Bout 94 percent on that.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Carlos44ec - You had me at "Hello" 04/04/2008 @ 07:39:49 AM
Still crushes the spirit though...		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	PackOne - More posts than they wanted. 04/04/2008 @ 08:41:07 AM
I have some people. They are almost positive this is just someone trying to stir the pot. If Favre's agent actually did discuss any trades, it also would still be considered tampering - so he will deny it either way. This being said, the real truth may never come out. Either way, Thompson wouldn't even consider it. That comes from someone who hangs out above the Pro-Shop.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 04/04/2008 @ 09:58:20 AM
Come on people. We're 3 days out from international "Make Shit Up on the Internets" day. Put 2 and 2 together.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	PackOne - From your first cigarette to your last dyin' day. 04/04/2008 @ 10:06:51 AM
In that case .... I heard Tarvaris Jackson is the early front runner for league MVP this year.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Carlos44ec - 2079 Posts 04/04/2008 @ 12:54:16 PM
2 + 2 = 22		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Carlos44ec - "If at first you don't succeed, failure may be your style." 04/04/2008 @ 12:54:41 PM
or 2 + 2 = 4 and that's Brett Far-va		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	PackOne - 1528 Posts 04/04/2008 @ 03:14:47 PM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/football/nfl/04/04/favre.denial/index.html		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
PackOne messed with this at 04/04/2008 3:15:29 pm

	PackOne - Well use me, use me, 'caus you ain't that average groupie. 04/09/2008 @ 06:24:54 PM
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	PackOne - 1528 Posts 04/09/2008 @ 11:19:53 PM
God hates the Packers. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-vR6TcHxho		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Matt - Ombudsman 04/10/2008 @ 01:56:10 AM
Favre: Injury to Rodgers could possibly lure him back Favre must really hate A-Rod, because the question now becomes not if, but when some Packer fan will take a club to A-Rod's knee.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4605 Posts 04/10/2008 @ 06:27:17 AM
That just made my day... 3rd play of the first game A-Rod is going down and everyone knows Favre is going to step in now, yay!		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 04/10/2008 @ 07:22:21 AM
Absolutely not going to happen. Ask any retired player if they'd play again, 99 times out of 100 they're going to say "sure, I could be talked into it if the team needs me." Ok Packer fans, but your tongues back in your mouths, Favre is not coming back.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Carlos44ec - 2079 Posts 04/10/2008 @ 08:25:13 AM
PackOne Wrote - 04/09/2008 @ 11:19:53 PM God hates the Packers. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-vR6TcHxho Funny, but could have been cut to one minute or less. We have ADD around here.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 04/10/2008 @ 08:56:26 AM
You people's blind optimism knows no bounds does it? I don't see how this could possibly be more devastating news for Packer fans. Favre wants to play, even to go so far as to not outright dismiss the notion of staying in shape. This can only mean one of two things, either Brett Favre hates training camp so much that he would be tempted to play if he got to skip that, but he has said he really enjoyed joking and playing with the young guys last year. The other possibility, and the one that seems to be written all over that interview, is that the Packers basically told Favre "it's time" in some way, shape, or form.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
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	PackOne - 1528 Posts 04/10/2008 @ 08:59:00 AM
Sorry, Sarah, your husband is right. It is time. Feel free to come to camp and compete though Brett.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Carlos44ec - You had me at "Hello" 04/10/2008 @ 09:46:33 AM
I disagree with the notion that keeping in shape is in someway an indiaction of a possible comeback. Former athletes (of any class) will tend to keep their bodies in excellent condition- partially out of habit, partially out of the fact that nobody wants to go from athlete to slob in one season of retirement.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 04/10/2008 @ 12:05:40 PM
I don't think he's coming back. I just meant that the interview in question sort of drips with the theme that, in fact, the Packers didn't want him, rather than the other way around.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Carlos44ec - What the F@#$ am I being arrested fo? 04/10/2008 @ 12:40:52 PM
I want him to stay retired. That way we can move on. Rodgers may not be the answer, but atleast we're looking ahead.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	Alex - 3619 Posts 04/10/2008 @ 12:50:31 PM
Personally I'd pick the other option that he really is bored and/or tired of all the practicing ("Not the game that I go out there and die for and play every game like it's my last but we're talking about practice man. How silly is that?" - AI) as opposed to some Packers management conspiracy to force out a legend and the face of the franchise for the last 15 years. Not that it's exactly the same, but people in many different professions get sick and tired of meetings and training sessions, etc. and they would rather just do what they do best. It's just that most of us can't retire at 38 and live off of interest on our massive bank accounts and depend on endorsement deals for some pocket change. If you really like the conspiracy theory angle, you need to up the ante a little bit. For instance, maybe Favre has been on HGH for the last 15 years and the Packers not only knew about it, they were supplying him and now that drugs have become uncool in baseball they are worried that they might become uncool in football so they pushed him out just to decrease the spotlight and hide the whole thing.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - I believe virtually everything I read. 04/10/2008 @ 01:19:32 PM
Since when would a team wanting to move on from an aging player qualify as a conspiracy? It happens all the time. They only thing that would have the tiniest hint of a "conspiracy" would be that they gave him the "it will make it look better for everyone if you quit rather then 'get fired'" option, which I also have to imagine happens all the time in and out of the sports world.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Matt - 3875 Posts 04/10/2008 @ 03:18:14 PM
I think Favre and the Packers agreeing to lie about the real reason he retired so that they could save face would count under a loose definition of conspiracy.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 2 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 04/10/2008 @ 03:46:51 PM
You don't think that sort of thing happens all the time though? Not to mention it might not be all that much of a lie anyway. Favre is on the fence every year anyway, maybe the Packers told him they were going to let Rodgers compete for the job in training camp and they just mutually decided it's time. All I'm saying is that the awkward way he talked about Rodgers combined with how excited (Maybe exited is the wrong word, but at least for the first time didn't respond to the tone of "For God's sake, I'm retired, I'm happy, let it go!") he got about the chance to play if it were the Packers who need HIM back (and, incidentally, Rodgers was out of the picture) is fishy to me. At the very least least, I saying this has just as much, or more, of a chance of being bad news to the Favre faithful regarding how his exit came about, than it is reason to hope about future events.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
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	Matt - Nutcan.com's MBL 04/10/2008 @ 05:35:43 PM
1. Even if I thought this sort of thing was as common as you seem to, it wouldn't affect whether it was a conspiracy or not. 2. I think you're reading too much into Favre's statements.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 2 times.

	PackOne - 1528 Posts 04/10/2008 @ 05:44:43 PM
Crap, I agree with Matt.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - As Seen On The Internet 04/10/2008 @ 06:08:17 PM
I'm not really reading into anything. Taking Favre's previous adamant attitude toward his retirement previous to this point combined with his comment that it would be "hard to say no" to the Packers calling him and asking him to come back it seems there is some probability there that the issue is that the Packers, on some level, didn't want him, and their sudden need for him would be enough of a draw. Seems like a sudden, drastic, change in heart where the only variables between this and just coming back are getting to "Roger Clemens" half the season and the Packers sudden need for him. There's a chance that the latter is the real issue. That's all I'm saying. Also, on some level, doesn't something have to be somewhat rare and expansive qualify as a "conspiracy." The lines between conspiracy, just a lie, and a half-truth have to be somewhere. Every lie no, matter how tiny, insignificant, or well intentioned, or how common it is "told", that two parties agree to tell together, is a conspiracy? I don't think so. Certainly not by any well reasoned "pop" definition.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Matt - 3875 Posts 04/10/2008 @ 06:25:33 PM
1. How is what you said not reading something into it? You're saying that there is significant meaning to his statements beyond their face value. I'm saying that sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. 2. It's the act of two or more people conspiring together that makes a lie/crime/etc. a conspiracy. Either way, I think this would at least qualify as expansive, if not rare as well.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
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	Alex - 3619 Posts 04/10/2008 @ 06:44:23 PM
If he had been coming off another 05 or 06 like performance, then maybe I could see the Packers pushing him out. But after having his best year since 1996 going off straight passer rating and not really being in a rebuilding mode, I find this fairly difficult to fathom.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 04/10/2008 @ 10:35:33 PM
First off, what does "face value" even mean? Everything is an interpretation. Interpreting that words have no meaning beyond exactly what they say is still your opinion of their meaning. Secondly I'm not interpreting his comment as anything. He has reiterated time and time again he doesn't want to come back, suddenly a scenario presents itself as "enticing." That's the comment, there's no interpretation, that's the "face value." I'm simply putting out there a possibility for the "change of heart." There's no reading between the lines about this one comment. Something is different about the situations for a comeback presented before now, and this one. There's no code here. He went from being incredulous that people couldn't just accept he retired to saying this situation would be hard to say no to. Maybe he's changing his mind over time, he just hated the prep work that much, or the Packers wanted to move on. Just like many franchises before the Packers made the choice to move on from their franchise players. The notion of a team deciding to go another direction despite a players talents is hardly unprecedented. (Seeing as you could name 4-5 huge names in Minnesota sports over the last 4 years that this is was the case.) Also you've got to just be arguing for the sake of arguing if you think the phenomenon of "forced, face saving, resignation" is in anyway rare. In the sports would I'd be willing to bet a vast majority of the players retire when no one wants them anymore, and not because they decided it was time. Reading too much into this comment would be saying that him saying he was willing to come back in case of injuries was a message to other teams that don't have a QB he'd have to be "looking over his shoulder for" that he still wants to play and would be willing to play for them. I'm not saying this happened, or even that I think it's what happened. All I'm saying is that the chances that Favre will be taking over week 8 for an injured A-Rod is, at best, just as likely as that the change in situation of his comments meant what I said they mean. Both are remote, neither likely happened/will happen. It was just a very strange interview that, in my opinion, is just as likely to really be a bad omen to the Favre Faithful than it is reason to celebrate. In simplified form: .00002% is still greater than .00001%, despite both being tiny.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 2 times.
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	Jeremy - Robots don't say 'ye' 04/10/2008 @ 10:48:55 PM
Alex Wrote - 04/10/2008 @ 06:44:23 PM If he had been coming off another 05 or 06 like performance, then maybe I could see the Packers pushing him out. But after having his best year since 1996 going off straight passer rating and not really being in a rebuilding mode, I find this fairly difficult to fathom. Agreed.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	PackOne - No matter how many MC's I eat up ... oh, it's never enough. 04/10/2008 @ 10:49:26 PM
You guys are cool.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jon - 1 bajillion posts 04/11/2008 @ 02:20:10 AM
Carlos44ec Wrote - 04/10/2008 @ 09:46:33 AM I disagree with the notion that keeping in shape is in someway an indiaction of a possible comeback. Former athletes (of any class) will tend to keep their bodies in excellent condition- partially out of habit, partially out of the fact that nobody wants to go from athlete to slob in one season of retirement. First off, as it relates to the issue at hand, it doesn't seem to matter because I can't seem to find a quote that Favre actually IS trying to keep in shape. Jeremy said that Favre didn't "outright dismiss the notion of staying in shape." But in Sports Illustrated I find the passage: "Not once have I felt like working out and getting ready for football,'' he said. "I just don't miss it.'' And while he admits he would be tempted to come back, he tempers the admission with the fact that he knows that it would be hard physically to do so. So I guess it's really not an issue in this story at all. Except for the fact that it seems to support how he doesn't want to make a serious come back at this moment and hasn't wanted to at any moment since he retired. The only time I've read about his enjoying "working out" was when I read this: "Deanna says I'm married to my property,'' he said. "I love working out there.'' But I think in this case it was (working) (out there), rather than (working out) (there). I'm gonna go off the subject quite a bit, but I just want to say that I disagree with Carl's statement that I quoted above. Have you seen former athletes? Most of them seem to gain about 50 pounds before their number is retired. I agree that they don't WANT to, but there's a reason we see all of those nutrisystem commercials full of athletes. I'm not blaming them or anything. It's kind of like how the rest of us have had our metabolism drop off since we were in our teens, except a lot of these guys have had about 35 years to eat a ton and burn it all up without even thinking about it. They were just active because they had to be. But then they retire and just don't work out that much. I'm sure some do, but I think a lot of them retired in large part because they didn't want to/couldn't work out that much anymore. And if you're going to stay in really good shape, why not keep playing? Anyway, I don't have any data to back this up, but I'm pretty sure the most physical thing that most pro athletes do after they retire is go golfing. And you better believe they're renting a cart. And afterwards they'll order the same pork sandwich and beer that they always have except this time they won't burn it off the next day at practice.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 04/11/2008 @ 07:26:19 AM
Matt Wrote - 04/10/2008 @ 05:35:43 PM 2. I think you're reading too much into Favre's statements. Amen for everyone.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Carlos44ec - "If at first you don't succeed, failure may be your style." 04/11/2008 @ 12:41:46 PM
Put your money where your mouths are- http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Gamble-on-Brett-Favre-s-inability-to-make-a-deci?urn=nfl,76406		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Matt - Nutcan.com's MBL 04/11/2008 @ 04:57:50 PM
Jeremy Wrote - 04/10/2008 @ 10:35:33 PM He has reiterated time and time again he doesn't want to come back, suddenly a scenario presents itself as "enticing." That's the comment, there's no interpretation, that's the "face value." I'm simply putting out there a possibility for the "change of heart." There's no reading between the lines about this one comment. From Dictionary.com (scroll down to #81): "To understand the unexpressed but implied meaning of something said or written" Did he express that he retired in part because the Packers didn't want him? No. Are you saying that you think this may have been implied in his comments? Yes. I'd say that counts as reading between the lines. I don't really get why you got so bothered by me saying I thought you were reading too much into something. Your comments said you believed something may have been the case. All I was saying was that I didn't think it was as likely as you seemed to.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 2 times.
Matt screwed with this 2 times, last at 04/11/2008 4:58:58 pm

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 02/11/2009 @ 09:47:24 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3898942 Favre retired, again.....for now.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	PackOne - First I limp to the side like my leg was broken. 02/11/2009 @ 11:27:20 AM
I rushed over her right away to see if Sarah needed any medical attention.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - I hate our freedoms 02/11/2009 @ 12:42:40 PM
PackOne Wrote - Today @ 11:27:20 AM I rushed over her right away to see if Sarah needed any medical attention. She was fine until you rushed over her.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 3 times.

	Carlos44ec - "If at first you don't succeed, failure may be your style." 02/11/2009 @ 04:04:51 PM
don't care anymore		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Alex - 3619 Posts 02/11/2009 @ 05:32:51 PM
It's like last night on Scrubs, the first time is exciting but after that not so much.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4605 Posts 02/11/2009 @ 07:04:19 PM
You know what? I think I'm gonna be ok this time around. We got a few more great Favre games this past year, so I'm happy he decided to come back. If he makes the decision to retire this year, then hey let the countdown begin for Canton.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Carlos44ec - 2079 Posts 02/12/2009 @ 12:15:23 PM
who will your favorite team be now, Sarah? I'm not talkin smack, I really want to know. maybe .2 smack, .8 wanna know		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - So's your face 02/12/2009 @ 07:16:40 PM
I am a Twins fan.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 02/12/2009 @ 08:34:39 PM
Except that she wrote an article about how much baseball sucks.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - How do you use these things? 02/12/2009 @ 08:50:59 PM
You suck		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	Carlos44ec - Tater Salad? 02/13/2009 @ 08:07:15 AM
You're not mad at Scott, you're mad at Brett. Anger Displacement is not a healthy way to express emotions. Tell Scott you're sorry...		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	PackOne - 1528 Posts 02/13/2009 @ 10:27:39 PM
I wish life was more like nutcan.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - How do you use these things? 02/14/2009 @ 11:40:59 AM
PackOne Wrote - Yesterday @ 10:27:39 PM I wish life was more like nutcan. Why's that?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4605 Posts 03/29/2009 @ 09:08:16 PM
Watching the Jets/Cardinals game on the NFL network. Wow, I'm gonna miss that.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jon - 1 bajillion posts 03/29/2009 @ 09:45:20 PM
you're gonna miss anquan boldin getting hurt? You're sick.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	Sarah - 4605 Posts 03/30/2009 @ 08:10:00 PM
Anquan Boldin is my hero.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 04/02/2009 @ 11:00:15 AM
This whole Jay Cutler debacle is making the Brett Favre saga look like nothing. First he demands a trade, then when his team says they'll trade him he says that he never wanted to be traded???		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 04/02/2009 @ 11:19:01 AM
I see no mention of this "I never wanted to be traded," but even if it is real, it's possible he meant he was perfectly happy in Denver before this. ie more of a "I never imagined being traded" type comment. I think Favre was, by far, a bigger deal, but either way, both are symptomatic of the same "there are 5 24 sports news outlets, and thousands of sports websites, and they all have nothing to talk about for huge expanses of time" disease.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Carlos44ec - 2079 Posts 04/02/2009 @ 11:19:08 AM
is it really a debacle? or is it more of a fracas?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - Pie Racist 04/02/2009 @ 11:23:40 AM
I think it could be a kerfuffle at this point.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	craig - 132 Posts 04/02/2009 @ 11:26:57 AM
Jeremy Wrote - Today @ 11:23:40 AM I think it could be a kerfuffle at this point. Kerfuffle? Really? I'd say it's no more than a to-do at this point.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - I believe virtually everything I read. 04/02/2009 @ 05:02:47 PM
And it's over, Cutler is a Chicago Bear, and now we all have to play against him.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Alex - Refactor Mercilessly 04/02/2009 @ 05:31:27 PM
Orton, 2 1st round picks, and swap a 3rd for a 5th round? Maybe that new Denver coach is really a genius for getting this heist started.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 04/02/2009 @ 05:36:57 PM
Right...except for the part where they will almost assuredly spend one of those 1sts, and maybe both, on a QB they hope will be anywhere near as good as Cutler. (He's not THAT great, I think his skills have taken a turn for the mythically titanic during all of this, but he's a good QB.) Edit: I don't think they would spend both, but they could find themselves in a situation where all indications are they SHOULD get another new QB, but they can't because they have so much invested in the first one, if that makes any sense.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
Jeremy screwed with this 2 times, last at 04/02/2009 5:43:07 pm

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 04/02/2009 @ 05:37:18 PM
Also, are you home Alex? And, if so, L4D?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	jthompto - 209 Posts 04/03/2009 @ 05:44:43 AM
I am kind of mad that Chicago got him. I know they gave up alot, but Cutler is pretty much a can't miss starter for the next 10 years. Exactly what the Vikings needed. I didn't really want the Vikings to go after him but maybe they should have. Every team in the North, except the Vikings, will now have a franchise QB assuming the Lions take one in the draft. Meanwhile Jackson and Rosenfels "compete" for a starting job in Minnesota.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 04/03/2009 @ 07:29:16 AM
jthompto Wrote - Today @ 06:44:43 AM but Cutler is pretty much a can't miss starter for the next 10 years. Unless he decides to complain and whine everytime the team does something to hurt his feelings. He's only 25 people, he's got a long way to go. He told his team the trade him, then later said he never wanted to be traded. What's next.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
Scott perfected this at 04/03/2009 7:30:54 am

	Jeremy - I hate our freedoms 04/03/2009 @ 09:24:41 AM
Do you have a link to this supposed "What? Why are they still trying to trade me? I never asked for this!" reaction? I'm a little sick of the Cutler bashing. First off, how much "whining" actually took place? I'm pretty sure most of his "constant whining" was a phantom of "constant never shutting up about a couple perceived incidents of whining" by the media. Secondly, let's say you're assistant to the regional manager at a mid level paper company, and your boss quits. When the new guy gets in the first thing he does is praise everything you've done, and tells you that he can't wait to work with you. Then, you find out that within a week of this meeting that your boss is in fact trying to bring over his old #2 from his job, and nothing really changed in the situation, which means there's a 90% chance that it was always the bosses plan to bring over his old #2 and send you packing, even as he looked you in the eye and told you how great you were. You would be pretty pissed too, and it would be pretty glib of your coworkers to call you a "baby" because you inquired about being transferred to another department.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
Jeremy edited this at 04/03/2009 9:25:25 am

	Matt - 3875 Posts 04/03/2009 @ 10:42:54 AM
Jeremy Wrote - Today @ 09:24:41 AM Do you have a link to this supposed "What? Why are they still trying to trade me? I never asked for this!" reaction? I've heard it mentioned a few places also, so I don't think Scott making it up.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	jthompto 04/04/2009 @ 07:45:01 AM
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9409280/Cutler-dealt-to-Bears-for-two-picks,-Orton Heres a link that sums it up. The fact that he is only 25 makes him that much better. He made the pro bowl and if Denver's defense wasn't so awful they would have easily made the playoffs. I not a huge fan of the guy, I just think Chicago got a lot better with this move.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - You're going to have to call your hardware guy. It's not a software issue. 04/04/2009 @ 07:56:04 AM
I could not find a specific link to him being quoted as saying that he didn't want a trade, but I had heard it all over sports talk radio (Mike and Mike, Jim Rome, Simon Cowherd, etc). I heard some ESPN analyst say about the trade is that sure the Bears have a good QB now, but they have no receivers and have given away their chances in the next 2 years to get any better. I'll bet that in the long run the Broncos will be better off in this deal.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jon - Nutcan.com's kitten expert 04/05/2009 @ 01:55:49 AM
Scott Wrote - Yesterday @ 07:56:04 AM ...I had heard it all over sports talk radio (Mike and Mike, Jim Rome, Simon Cowherd, etc). Really? Simon Cowherd said that? Isn't that the guy who critiques athletes on that show "College Football Idol"?		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 04/05/2009 @ 07:58:54 PM
Wow, where did I come up with Simon?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	PackOne - 1528 Posts 04/05/2009 @ 08:17:10 PM
I miss it over here. I am super busy, with an internship already starting in the middle of school. I better get my roster set tonight. Why am I putting this here? It was the thread that came up in my feed. Hope things are good for all canners.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - How do you use these things? 04/05/2009 @ 08:19:20 PM
I was wondering where you were, welcome back. I've already made some changes to my roster based on tonight's game. Woot!		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jon - 3375 Posts 04/11/2009 @ 03:33:33 AM
Jon Wrote - 04/05/2009 @ 01:55:49 AM Scott Wrote - 04/04/2009 @ 07:56:04 AM ...I had heard it all over sports talk radio (Mike and Mike, Jim Rome, Simon Cowherd, etc). Really? Simon Cowherd said that? Isn't that the guy who critiques athletes on that show "College Football Idol"? How could I get a zero rating for this? At worst it's borderline clever. Plus, Scott's comment is just sitting there right below mine and he's asking where he came up with simon even though my comment made it clear exactly where he came up with simon. And no one zero nutted that? Tragedy of the commons I tell you.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	Jeremy - 9475 Posts 04/11/2009 @ 08:38:18 AM
Take it up with Sarah.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4605 Posts 04/11/2009 @ 11:56:48 AM
I stand by my zero nutting.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	PackOne - 1528 Posts 04/13/2009 @ 10:41:29 PM
I will second the zero nuts. We all know you can do better.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4605 Posts 04/16/2009 @ 12:43:28 PM
It was only a matter of time, what with Favre gone. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4073253 Will it be weird next season?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jon - many posts 04/19/2009 @ 12:59:25 AM
Sarah Wrote - 04/16/2009 @ 12:43:28 PM It was only a matter of time, what with Favre gone. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4073253 Will it be weird next season? I say yes it will be weird. And when I had time to reflect on this story for more than a second, I did get a laugh when I realized he retired when Favre did. I've said it before, but I'd like to say it again. I really actually enjoyed the Madden/Michaels announcing team. I'm not sure why, but I thought they were really good together and I actually enjoyed listening to them. And I used to be in the non-Madden-fan camp. There might be specific reasons I liked them. Such as the fact that the other 95% of football announcing teams are pretty much terrible to the point that they actually make me less likely to watch the game, but I think it's more than that. I think it was one of those things that just worked. Madden could still go on little runs of weirdness but Michaels just rolled with it and they seemed to genuinely have fun and I think it translated into fun for people watching. At least for me it did. I didn't care so much if I disagreed with it or if it was nonsense. For some reason I would find myself just going with it. Maybe, and I'm spitballing here, but maybe it was that they both still took the game as the main event and actually still cared about focusing on it. Sure they still had tangents and things, and Madden always stuffed guys like Favre down our throats, but it was still a football game. Switching gears just a bit, I'd say that these days, ESPN MNF is almost completely unwatchable for me. The game is tertiary to the other things they've planned. Kornheiser, who's otherwise great on PTI, is constantly trying to write columns out loud, on the fly, despite the fact that his "angle" is almost never backed up by what is actually going on, or even relevant to what we're watching. They're always pushing storylines that are predetermined. And they have fallen prey to the trap of thinking their playful banter about each other is always funny for the viewers too. Almost every announcing team tries this, and probably only 20% do it well in my opinion. I was sad to hear that Madden was retiring. The more football announcing I listened to, the greater appreciation I had/have for guys like him. I'd take Madden gushing about Favre, turduckens, butt sweat, and cankles over most of these other guys who seem to be trying too hard to be unique or insightful or some other thing that I can't put my finger on. OK, I probably could do without the butt sweat, but still. Kudos on a great career John Madden.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
Jon perfected this at 04/19/2009 1:01:09 am

	Jon - 3375 Posts 04/19/2009 @ 06:14:02 AM
Also, if you have ten minutes to listen to some talk radio, Dan LeBatard has an interview with Madden that is worth a listen.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
Jon edited this at 04/19/2009 6:16:40 am

	Alex - 3619 Posts 04/19/2009 @ 11:35:57 AM
I think the problem is that instead of catering to the main audience, people who like football, they try to draw in other people who would rather hear gossip talk and all the other junk instead of just watching the game. And really people who want to watch the game have no alternative, so we're pretty much stuck with whatever lame announcers/ideas they throw out there. Madden was a goof, but he was genuine and you could tell he loved the game. Kind of like how Jaworski is the only one on the current MNF team that actually makes any comments about football. But unless there are some lineup changes in the fall my TV schedule is too busy on Monday for football anyway.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Alex - But let history remember, that as free men, we chose to make it so! 04/19/2009 @ 12:35:03 PM
Watching FA Cup action on the Fox Soccer channel, and I realized another reason I've grown to like watching soccer, particularly on this channel for non-MLS games, is that there isn't any gimmicky sideline reporters or "in-depth" pre-canned garbage, it's just all about the action on the field. But for MLS games on say ESPN there is more of that stuff.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - You're going to have to call your hardware guy. It's not a software issue. 04/19/2009 @ 04:44:59 PM
Alex Wrote - Today @ 01:35:03 PM ...watching soccer...it's just all about the action on the field. Wait, doesn't there have to be "action" before it can be all about it "on the field"? We are still talking about soccer, right?		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.