Jeremy - The pig says "My wife is a slut?" 02/19/2008 @ 12:22:59 AM
Science can make up all the reasons they want, I know the moon turns red because God is angry.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	Carlos44ec - A Vote for me is a Vote against Terrorism! ...or atleast just wasted. 02/19/2008 @ 09:09:59 AM
I dig astronomy, and anything that has to do with it. I will definitely check this out, and maybe fire up the old camera and extra zoom lense!		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	PackOne - More posts than they wanted. 02/19/2008 @ 11:01:23 PM
I will totally be checking it out. Unless someone tells me not to bother for some reason.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	Jon - 3443 Posts 02/20/2008 @ 06:25:10 AM
Jeremy Wrote - 02/19/2008 @ 12:22:59 AM Science can make up all the reasons they want, I know the moon turns red because God is angry. I'm not exactly sure why that comment was added. And I'm pretty sure that if I comment, there's a good chance someone will misinterpret what I'm trying to say here and assume I'm arguing something I'm not. And I really don't want to start some long conversation on this. But I'm going to quickly respond anyway and hope for the best. As far as I can tell, the presence of a scientific reason for an event does not necessarily prove a lack of a divine reason/cause for that event. Likewise, a divine action resulting in some event does not necessarily mean there is no scientific explanation for that event. Anyway, I'm NOT bringing this up to assert some sort of theory about the meaning of this particular astronomical incident. I just wanted to add a thought or two on the issue of science and faith/religion. I do this because it seems like often when the issue is addressed, it's framed as if (as an example) you can belive a) that God is in charge of the sun appearing each day or b) that the sun appears each day because the earth is rotating and revolving around the sun. But if you agree with "a" it's interpreted as being opposed to "b" rather than being an idea that can exist along with the other. Anyway, I'm pretty sure Jeremy's comment that sparked this post was (at least partly) intended for humorous purposes. But I decided to throw some seriousness onto this matter whether anyone cares for it or not. Feel free to go back to commenting on this eclipse. Personally, I'm a little concerned that it might be really cold outside. I mean, I didn't have any set plans for how long I was gonna watch, but I don't know if I'll be able to be out there and be comfortable for very long. I think it'd be cool to watch it change though.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.
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	Jeremy - 9543 Posts 02/20/2008 @ 08:27:10 AM
I just said it because that used to be the agreed upon explanation. Also the moon is supposed to turn during the rapture too, so everyone should be on their best behavior until then.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - The pig says "My wife is a slut?" 02/20/2008 @ 09:44:57 AM
I do believe your general premise though that they are hardly as mutually exclusive as people make them out to be. I mean, even on something controversial, like the big bang, the bible starts out something along the lines of: In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth, then later on created light, then separated day from night. That doesn't seem too incongruous to the scientifically held belief that the universe began from a singularity, that stars and, later on, planets formed from the crap that spewed forth, and the angular momentum of that crap coming together caused the objects to rotate on their eventual axis. On the flip side, a gap in scientific knowledge isn't a flaw in science itself, or even necessarily the particular theory it deals with, and doesn't automatically imply "God did it" either.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Carlos44ec - Knuckle Sammich 02/20/2008 @ 09:57:30 AM
I'm apalled that this article of pure science got somehow derailed and put down a religious path. How dare ye queer** my science with religion! **and by "queer" I do not mean "gay" or "homosexual" -but I do mean "cheapen," "dilute" or "detract from"		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
Carlos44ec perfected this at 02/20/2008 9:59:58 am

	Alex - I was too weak to give in Too strong to lose 02/20/2008 @ 01:15:49 PM
Jeremy Wrote - 02/20/2008 @ 08:27:10 AM I just said it because that used to be the agreed upon explanation. Also the moon is supposed to turn during the rapture too, so everyone should be on their best behavior until then. I'm not sure that portrayal is entirely accurate, in that I'm not sure who you're implying agreed upon it. I did read the story a few days ago about how Christopher Columbus used the eclipse to convince the natives of the island he was stranded on that God was angry with them.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9543 Posts 02/20/2008 @ 03:37:21 PM
Fine, I withdraw my use of "agreed." I just meant it was something that I had heard being used somewhere in history as the explanation.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	PackOne - "That's what I call gettin a piece of Pi" 02/20/2008 @ 06:29:10 PM
Sweet, I can see the moon perfectly right outside my front window. What a meant to be moment.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Alex - 3619 Posts 02/20/2008 @ 07:09:57 PM
Jeremy Wrote - 02/20/2008 @ 03:37:21 PM Fine, I withdraw my use of "agreed." I just meant it was something that I had heard being used somewhere in history as the explanation. I know you weren't really trying to give a history lesson, it's just that this is how things come to be "common knowledge" that aren't true. I cannot see the moon at all from inside. It's soooo cold out. Maybe someone will put it on youtube for me so I don't have to go outside.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	PackOne - Push the little daisy's and make em come up. 02/20/2008 @ 08:16:25 PM
God is half pissed it looks like.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 02/20/2008 @ 08:18:47 PM
I missed it. Dang it. I guess I'll just have to wait until 2010.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
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	Jeremy - Cube Phenomenoligist 02/20/2008 @ 08:38:22 PM
Unless you and I have different moons it's not over yet.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - Resident Tech Support 02/20/2008 @ 09:03:37 PM
Yeah, I went outside and saw the moon half covered and thought it was on it's way out. I realized shortly after I posted that comment that it had only just begin. "It's not the beginning of the end, but it is perhaps the end of the beginning."		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	Jon - many posts 02/21/2008 @ 01:36:33 AM
Jeremy Wrote - 02/20/2008 @ 08:38:22 PM Unless you and I have different moons it's not over yet. Only if you live on Tatooine! (Adjusting my glasses with my pointer finger)		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jon - 3443 Posts 02/21/2008 @ 03:49:36 AM
Ok, so Tatooine actually has two suns, which I think is what I was referencing. But the wikipedia site says it has three moons, so I guess if that info isn't made up (in the relative sense) the reference still kind of holds. Can you imagine the various eclipses that could occur with multiple suns and moons?		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 2 times.
Jon screwed with this at 02/21/2008 3:50:55 am

	Carlos44ec - 2079 Posts 02/21/2008 @ 08:25:37 AM
Not to mention the gravitational havoc that would ensue.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - Get Up! Get outta here! Gone! 02/21/2008 @ 11:12:58 AM
Multiple suns? Al Gore would go crazy and suggest that we blow up one of the suns to help combat the effects of global warming (and he would still blame humans as the cause). I'd still vote for him.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	Jeremy - I hate our freedoms 02/21/2008 @ 11:22:59 AM
I'm not sure Al is the raving hippie lunatic people are making him out to be. He supports Nuclear Power. He's not advocating people live in a thatched reed lean-to. He's saying things like switch your damn lightbulbs and, if you can afford it, look into hybrid cars, and maybe our MPG standards don't have to remain at 1979 levels. Also, Jon will be happy to know (cause he points this out too) Al is very clear that this is all about OUR survival and long term ability to live on Earth, the Earth itself doesn't care and will go on existing til the sun swallows it up. I'm not sure how having 2 suns would even work. Imagine what the tides would be like.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.
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	Scott - 6225 Posts 02/21/2008 @ 11:47:07 AM
Oh I know. I'm an Al Gore fan. That comment was just playing into the "Al Gore is a hippie lunatic" view that some people have. Plus it was too obvious a comment to make.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Carlos44ec - Knuckle Sammich 02/21/2008 @ 02:58:34 PM
Jeremy Wrote - 02/21/2008 @ 11:22:59 AM I'm not sure how having 2 suns would even work. Imagine what the tides would be like. I'm sure you meant to say moons, since the moon controls the tides. Before we had a moon, there were no tides. Ask Barbara Walters!		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Alex - 3619 Posts 02/21/2008 @ 05:56:59 PM
Carlos44ec Wrote - 02/21/2008 @ 02:58:34 PM Jeremy Wrote - 02/21/2008 @ 11:22:59 AM I'm not sure how having 2 suns would even work. Imagine what the tides would be like. I'm sure you meant to say moons, since the moon controls the tides. Before we had a moon, there were no tides. Ask Barbara Walters! I'm pretty sure the sun has an effect on the tides too.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	Carlos44ec - ...and Bob's your Uncle! 02/21/2008 @ 09:26:41 PM
Alex Wrote - 02/21/2008 @ 05:56:59 PM Carlos44ec Wrote - 02/21/2008 @ 02:58:34 PM Jeremy Wrote - 02/21/2008 @ 11:22:59 AM I'm not sure how having 2 suns would even work. Imagine what the tides would be like. I'm sure you meant to say moons, since the moon controls the tides. Before we had a moon, there were no tides. Ask Barbara Walters! I'm pretty sure the sun has an effect on the tides too. You are correct, I looked it up.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.