Matt - 3945 Posts 02/25/2009 @ 05:20:25 PM
Forgot to mention that the draft is set for Friday, March 20 Tuesday, March 17 at 7:30pm. If too many people have problems with this time, I can see about changing it. Also, If anyone has suggestions for any rules/settings/etc. changes, speak up and we'll see if we can't use "consensus" to change some things. We're using democratic process here, I don't know if you guys understand that. EDIT: Corrected draft date.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.
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	Carlos44ec - 2079 Posts 02/25/2009 @ 05:54:07 PM
I'm down- who wants to fight for 7th place?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Alex - I was too weak to give in Too strong to lose 02/25/2009 @ 10:21:12 PM
21st is a Saturday, and I vote for not having it during the 1st or 2nd round of March Madness.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Matt - Ombudsman 02/26/2009 @ 06:18:58 AM
So it is. The correct date is Friday, March 20 at 7:30pm. As for changing the date, how about Tuesday the 17th at 7:30pm?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Micah - Shaken not stirred gets you cold water with a dash of gin and dry vermouth 02/26/2009 @ 07:13:19 AM
Was awesome intentionally misspelled to make me try to register for the league 8 times, while swearing at my computer and finally just copy and paste it like I should have the first time? Or was there a character limit on the password? Carl, your team name will be destroyed. Also, this whole season I am going to think Sarah's team is actually Scott's team because of the name. Twins are 1-0!!!! Tuesday the 17th works for me, as do most MTW nights.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
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	Scott - If you aren't enough without it, you'll never be enough with it. 02/26/2009 @ 07:23:00 AM
why, what is Sarah's team name?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Micah - 584 Posts 02/26/2009 @ 07:25:31 AM
I heart Corey Hart		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Matt - 3945 Posts 02/26/2009 @ 08:06:37 AM
Micah Wrote - Today @ 07:13:19 AM Was awesome intentionally misspelled to make me try to register for the league 8 times, while swearing at my computer and finally just copy and paste it like I should have the first time? Yes, yes it was, and it seems to have worked like a charm. Seriously though, checking the archive, it seems I made that mistake once before in the Opening Day... Again article. Since the words "Rivas" and "awesome" are so rarely seen in proximity to each other, I think my subconscious has been preventing me from spelling the word correctly. I guess I should have gone with Rivasucks instead.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.
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	Carlos44ec - Tater Salad? 02/26/2009 @ 08:22:17 AM
Micah Wrote - Today @ 07:13:19 AM Carl, your team name will be destroyed. . Changed, I-I-I don't wwwwant to be des...destroyed.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Matt - Nutcan.com's MBL 02/26/2009 @ 12:09:01 PM
Ok, so Alex can watch basketball, the draft time has been changed to Tuesday, March 17th at 7:30pm.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Micah - They just want the damn ash of that field 02/26/2009 @ 01:00:47 PM
Clearly the Nut Can is not Irish...but neither am I so draft away.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - No, I did not change your screen saver settings 02/26/2009 @ 02:53:53 PM
I might be sitting this year out. I haven't decided yet.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4675 Posts 02/26/2009 @ 07:04:27 PM
Matt Wrote - Today @ 12:09:01 PM Ok, so Alex can watch basketball, the draft time has been changed to Tuesday, March 17th at 7:30pm. Day after major deadline Woo! Can't wait!		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Carlos44ec - 2079 Posts 02/26/2009 @ 07:26:16 PM
Scott Wrote - Today @ 02:53:53 PM I might be sitting this year out. I haven't decided yet. Don't sit the year out. It's unsportsmanlike.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	PackOne - She's just a woman. Never again. 02/26/2009 @ 08:10:28 PM
Ill get in, I feel like we just stopped this.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Matt - Washington Bureau Chief 03/16/2009 @ 01:39:09 AM
Just a reminder, the draft is this Tuesday (the 17th) at 7:30pm.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Alex - Who controls the past now controls the future 03/17/2009 @ 01:17:01 PM
I vaguely remembered being dissatisfied with one of the stat categories last year but didn't see any posts of mine on the 2008 thread. I think it was Wins for pitchers. Can we replace that with Quality Starts, even if the definition of a quality start is too lax in the post live ball/steroid era? With all the number crunching nowadays "Wins" for a pitcher is one of the most meaningless but still highly valued stats.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 03/17/2009 @ 01:44:27 PM
Alex Wrote - Today @ 02:17:01 PM I vaguely remembered being dissatisfied with one of the stat categories last year but didn't see any posts of mine on the 2008 thread. I think it was Wins for pitchers. Can we replace that with Quality Starts, even if the definition of a quality start is too lax in the post live ball/steroid era? With all the number crunching nowadays "Wins" for a pitcher is one of the most meaningless but still highly valued stats. Ok, now you are taking the "fantasy" in fantasy baseball a bit too far.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Micah - 584 Posts 03/17/2009 @ 02:18:31 PM
As much as I don't like wins as a stat, quality starts is a horrible stat. If a pitcher pitches a complete game win and gives up 4 runs, its not considered quality. Plus it takes even more value away from relief pitchers. Wins also make me feel like all nostalgic like a 1987 Topps baseball card.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
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	Carlos44ec - ...and Bob's your Uncle! 03/17/2009 @ 02:21:11 PM
I love splitting hairs!		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Micah - I didn't make that! It fell out of your hair that way! 03/17/2009 @ 02:26:06 PM
Carlos44ec Wrote - Today @ 03:21:11 PM I love splitting hairs! Go sit in your tower with your Ken Griffey, Jr. jersey		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	Jeremy - 1.21 Gigawatts!?!? 03/17/2009 @ 02:35:41 PM
Well, I don't know. First off, it's a bit too close to go time to be working out this stuff. Secondly, we have already tweaked this quite a bit, it seems odd to have a league with no homeruns and no wins and whatnot, but I do agree that wins seems like a kind of stupid stat. Wins are pretty much just happenstance.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Carlos44ec - A Vote for me is a Vote against Terrorism! ...or atleast just wasted. 03/17/2009 @ 02:36:05 PM
I might wear it to the game... then again its the Twins opening game, and that would be a sign of dissention. Might wear my Central High jersey, have to resew the numbers on though.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Micah - 584 Posts 03/17/2009 @ 02:36:57 PM
Is that the yellow one...is there a picture of you from high school not wearing that jersey?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - No one's gay for Moleman 03/17/2009 @ 02:38:54 PM
[Click to Enlarge] Good times. Here's one: [Click to Enlarge]		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
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	Carlos44ec - Knuckle Sammich 03/17/2009 @ 02:40:10 PM
busted		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9547 Posts 03/17/2009 @ 02:53:56 PM
Apparently angelfire has some quirky remote loading rules.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Carlos44ec - Tag This 03/17/2009 @ 03:08:57 PM
in that second picture we were cheering for whatever team was playing North at their homecoming. Classy!		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Alex - I was too weak to give in Too strong to lose 03/17/2009 @ 05:19:04 PM
Jeremy Wrote - Today @ 02:35:41 PM Well, I don't know. First off, it's a bit too close to go time to be working out this stuff. Why? Have you been doing mock drafts and creating a detailed lists of pitcher rankings that would be thrown off with this change? Scott Wrote - Today @ 01:44:27 PM Ok, now you are taking the "fantasy" in fantasy baseball a bit too far. I don't get it. Micah Wrote - Today @ 02:18:31 PM As much as I don't like wins as a stat, quality starts is a horrible stat. If a pitcher pitches a complete game win and gives up 4 runs, its not considered quality. Plus it takes even more value away from relief pitchers. In and of itself I agree that's it not great. But if a pitcher gives up 10 runs in 6 innings and his team happens to score 20 that game, he still gets a win. QS + ERA + WHIP = better statistical representation of pitcher's performance than W + ERA + WHIP. And yes it takes away value from the relief pitcher who puts up 5 wins in a week pitching in 5 innings where his team happened to take the lead. Isn't that a good thing? It places more value of the starters who have to put up at least 6 innings a game to get a QS.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9547 Posts 03/17/2009 @ 05:25:17 PM
Yeah, I also see that as a plus, if anything. It's happenstance to get a win as a starting pitcher. It's pretty much blind luck to get one as a reliever. It's not indicative of anything.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Alex - 3619 Posts 03/17/2009 @ 05:44:46 PM
Besides the luck part, one stat for only starters (QS) would balance out with one stat for only relievers (Saves).		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - Resident Tech Support 03/17/2009 @ 08:21:02 PM
Name a 20 game winner that wasn't a good pitcher. QS is a good stat to crunch, but from a fantasy standpoint, you gotta go pure baseball stats. That's my opinion.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - Cube Phenomenoligist 03/17/2009 @ 11:15:55 PM
Well, no one is trying to make the case there isn't a correlation, just that it's a pretty lousy day-to-day kind of stat. Fewest losses would probably make more sense. A great pitching outing doesn't necessarily translate into a win, let alone getting the win, a bad outing probably translates into getting the loss. Either way you're talking about something that the entire team is responsible for, so in a lot of ways you're drafting the team as much as the player, which you could make the case as part of the fantasy "game," but personally I'd rather have all the stats be reflective, as much as possible, of what that player directly did, or didn't do.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
Jeremy edited this at 03/17/2009 11:16:38 pm

	Alex - 3619 Posts 03/18/2009 @ 12:23:24 AM
Scott Wrote - Yesterday @ 08:21:02 PM Name a 20 game winner that wasn't a good pitcher. QS is a good stat to crunch, but from a fantasy standpoint, you gotta go pure baseball stats. That's my opinion. That's hardly the point. Name a 10 game winner who could've been a 20 game winner on a team that could actually score some runs. Ben Sheets circa a couple years ago. Boom! It's more about pitchers that are undervalued because their team's offense stinks than pitchers that are overrated. Plus, what is a "pure baseball stat"?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
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	Micah - 584 Posts 03/18/2009 @ 12:43:57 PM
Jeremy Wrote - Today @ 12:15:55 AM Well, no one is trying to make the case there isn't a correlation, just that it's a pretty lousy day-to-day kind of stat. Fewest losses would probably make more sense. A great pitching outing doesn't necessarily translate into a win, let alone getting the win, a bad outing probably translates into getting the loss. Either way you're talking about something that the entire team is responsible for, so in a lot of ways you're drafting the team as much as the player, which you could make the case as part of the fantasy "game," but personally I'd rather have all the stats be reflective, as much as possible, of what that player directly did, or didn't do. I'd say losses have more correlation to bad hitting than bad pitching, but I have nothing to back that up		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
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	Jon - 3447 Posts 03/19/2009 @ 03:27:45 AM
I'm not in the league, but I say Quality Starts equals lame. And it's even lamer than I previously thought too. I knew 6IP with 3ER got a quality start, but I also assumed the 4.50era ceiling remained the cutoff for longer starts. But it doesn't. Double lame. If you wanted some sort of weird pitching stat, off the top of my head I'd say "game score" would probably be more indicative of success, though I'm not really sure it works in fantasy, so maybe not. Actually, I don't know if it really "works" in real life, so to speak, but, hey look at that, it's a Bill James stat. I guess there's some sort of credibility. Really, I have no idea.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.
Jon edited this at 03/19/2009 3:29:29 am

	Scott - 6225 Posts 03/19/2009 @ 08:03:30 AM
I think QS is an OK stat, but with the right perspective. It is a good as a "look-back" stat, where you can just get an idea of a pitcher who may be a bit better than his record. Because while a 4.50 ERA is nothing too impressive, a pitcher who gives up only 3 runs in a game shouldn't be credited with a loss, in a perfect baseball world.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Micah - 584 Posts 03/19/2009 @ 08:48:00 AM
Scott Wrote - Today @ 09:03:30 AM I think QS is an OK stat, but with the right perspective. It is a good as a "look-back" stat, where you can just get an idea of a pitcher who may be a bit better than his record. Because while a 4.50 ERA is nothing too impressive, a pitcher who gives up only 3 runs in a game shouldn't be credited with a loss, in a perfect baseball world. Agreed on the perspective, but FIP (Fielding Independent Pitching) is pretty popular among crazy stat people, although I guess it is a replacement for ERA and not Wins. Fielding Independent Pitching, a measure of all those things for which a pitcher is specifically responsible. The formula is (HR*13+(BB+HBP-IBB)*3-K*2)/IP, plus a league-specific factor (usually around 3.2) to round out the number to an equivalent ERA number. FIP helps you understand how well a pitcher pitched, regardless of how well his fielders fielded.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Micah - 584 Posts 03/19/2009 @ 08:49:17 AM
Also, my new five minutes of fun every day is apackaday.blogspot.com The open a random pack of sports card every day and make comments on what they get along with scans of the front/back, cool pictures of players with bad mustaches from 1986 Topps cards, etc. Highly recommended.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Alex - I don't need to get steady I know just how I feel 04/16/2009 @ 01:13:10 PM
"RHP Dan Haren, who made 24 quality starts last season, has two quality starts in two appearances this year but is looking for his first victory. He is 0-2 despite giving up seven hits and three earned runs in 13 innings, in a 3-0 loss to Colorado on April 7 and 3-1 loss to the Dodgers on Sunday. The D-backs have had five hits while Haren has been in the game. (Yahoo! Sports)"		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Matt - 3945 Posts 04/16/2009 @ 04:28:53 PM
Maybe next year you'll propose the change earlier than the day of the draft.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.
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	Alex - I was too weak to give in Too strong to lose 04/20/2009 @ 01:00:50 PM
RHP Dan Haren is 0-3 with a 1.89 ERA after a 2-0 loss in San Francisco on Friday despite three quality starts. The D-backs have scored one run in the 19 innings he has been on the mound. Since 1983, the only other pitcher to start 0-3 with an ERA under 2.00 was Cubs RHP Juan Cruz, according to Elias. (Yahoo! Sports)		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Micah - I'm on a boat! Everybody look at me cause I'm sailing on a boat! 04/23/2009 @ 08:31:06 AM
Thank the lord Dan Haren got a win yesterday.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 2 times.

	Carlos44ec - 2079 Posts 04/23/2009 @ 09:23:25 AM
I see your extrcurricular reading is changing you, Micah.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	PackOne - The girls all know he's "way cool" Jr. 04/27/2009 @ 09:58:27 PM
Why does my team always suck.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Alex - But let history remember, that as free men, we chose to make it so! 06/25/2009 @ 09:36:18 AM
RHP Dan Haren made his big-league-leading 14th quality start Wednesday, but once again he had little to show for it but solid numbers and a "hang with 'em." Despite giving up two runs and four hits in seven innings, and retiring the final 11 batters he faced, Haren fell to 6-5 after a 2-1 loss to Texas.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Alex - 3619 Posts 06/30/2009 @ 01:18:58 PM
As a standalone stat, wouldn't it be better if total bases include walks? I feel like I'm not getting my money's worth with Adrian Gonzalez's league leading 63 walks, especially when OBP is still my worst hitting category (actually worst overall).		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.