Jeremy - 9543 Posts 07/14/2008 @ 11:51:26 PM
There are a couple points in the interview where you're expecting a sort of political type statement, but he gets pretty blunt. Especially the "protect your legacy" part. Though to be fair to Brett, that is a lame excuse on the Packers' part. The Packers are making the best move for the Packers, they want to keep him away from the competition. Don't talk to Brett, or even the public for that matter, like we're idiots. Really though, if he wants out, he needs to rock the boat a bit, though I don't know if that's what his intentions were.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 3 times.
Jeremy edited this at 07/14/2008 11:54:37 pm

	PackOne - 1528 Posts 07/15/2008 @ 12:30:36 AM
Some quotes from part two: In one instance, Favre told Van Susteren that “I worked my butt off two years ago to try to get them to sign Randy Moss,” adding that he was willing to give up salary to land the talented receiver. But Favre said Thompson denied publicly that Favre had lobbied to get Moss, which Favre said was not the case. Moss signed with the New England Patriots. In a second instance, Favre said he once tried to convince Thompson to re-sign Marco Rivera and Mike Wahle, two key linemen, but the two got away and signed elsewhere. In a third case, Favre told Van Susteren he tried to convince Thompson to interview Steve Mariucci, an old friend, 4 the head coaching job vacated by Mike Sherman. Favre said Thompson ended up hiring Mike McCarthy instead. “And none of those had anything to do with me retiring once again but, you know, it’s hard 4 me to trust, you know, this guy when I — either I’m told one thing and everyone else is told another, or he’s telling the public one thing and telling me another. And so — and that’s part of the reason 4 the release” Favre said of his request to be released by the Packers to pursue other opportunities. “Not only was I told that playing here was not an option, we’re moving on — it’s kind of in their company line, moving on. That’s OK.” I would say the chance that Brett is playing in Green Bay, is slim to none at this point.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
PackOne edited this at 07/15/2008 12:31:42 am

	PackOne - 1528 Posts 07/15/2008 @ 09:10:03 AM
Here is the most damaging statement at in tonights second half of the interview. Remember, this is a coach working for Ted Thompson telling Farve this. ON ASSISTANT COACH JAMES CAMPEN WHO VISITED FAVRE: "And he's caught in the middle of this, which he doesn't want to be caught in the middle of it. Yes, we are friends. We do talk. That's really how this whole thing got started, but, you know, that's not his job. "He says, 'You know, I know they told you they're moving on and playing there's not an option. Playing here in Green Bay is not an option, which that's what they want. They want to move on. But I'm telling you, if you reinstate or you force their hand, back them in a corner, they feel like they have no other option, they're going to accept you back." "And he said, 'Just telling you.' And I said, 'OK.' "...You know, I didn't want to go back there after that. You know, and really already, after what Mike had told me when he said, 'Hey Brett, I'm sorry, we've moved on,' that was OK. That was OK.' 1. A coach tells Favre that he knows his boss has told him they are movig on. 2. Said coach also tells Brett that hey if you force them they'll take you wink wink. I would say two people are now out of a job. Although one already was March 3rd. Throw under the bus much?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - I hate our freedoms 07/15/2008 @ 09:14:16 AM
No kidding. "Thanks a pantload, Brett" - James Campen		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	PackOne - From your first cigarette to your last dyin' day. 07/15/2008 @ 11:38:55 AM
Hearing that the trade to Tampa is done. Someone saw Bruce Allen eating dinner with Brett Favre at Flemings. Then: An employee at Flemings confirmed they were both there. Then: Someone that works at the Bucs facility also called in, and said Brett toured the facility last night. Then: Someone called and said it's a done deal. A 2nd rounder & Chris Simms for Favre. UNCONFIRMED		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9543 Posts 07/15/2008 @ 12:05:46 PM
I have a semi-hard time believing this. Or at least that that will be the compensation. For one, that seems like a lot. Secondly, why would that Packers want Simms either? Seems to me this is just a high probability guess since Simms wants out of TB as well.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	PackOne - 1528 Posts 07/15/2008 @ 01:02:31 PM
1. Keep Simms from coming to the NFC North, let him battle for a backup spot. He is a tough SOB. 2. Value trade, take what you can get, as you said he wants out. 3. Flynn isn't as good as Simms. 4. Gruden loves Favre, perhaps that drives the price up. 5. Yes, it is a guess, but a more educated one than you may think. 6. The Plaza is going down.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	PackOne - She's got the whole wide world singing baby's song. 07/15/2008 @ 02:18:26 PM
http://www.tampabays10.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=84919&catid=8 Called.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
PackOne messed with this at 07/15/2008 2:22:08 pm

	Jeremy - 9543 Posts 07/15/2008 @ 02:24:38 PM
Ha. No way.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	PackOne - 1528 Posts 07/15/2008 @ 02:53:59 PM
Way. Went over the air to 1.5 million people on Tampa TV		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9543 Posts 07/15/2008 @ 02:55:39 PM
Did they read off the url? Too bad it wasn't nutcan. :)		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Wendy 07/15/2008 @ 02:57:02 PM
Reporting on rumors reeks of legitimacy: "Tampa Bay's 10 News will keep you updated with facts on any other rumors that pop up."		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9543 Posts 07/15/2008 @ 02:58:29 PM
By the way, maybe Wendy can comment on this (hey look there she is in Current Nutcanners) do you in the media usually report on wild rumors, quite literally off "some guys" blog? Ha...what are you psychic? Never mind, I guess that answers my question.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	PackOne - 1528 Posts 07/15/2008 @ 03:03:37 PM
I called it a rumor, from the start. I should have cited an anonymous source though.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	PackOne - Push the little daisy's and make em come up. 07/15/2008 @ 03:03:58 PM
I would like some advice on this one.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	PackOne - 1528 Posts 07/15/2008 @ 03:04:57 PM
I talked to the guy, he didn't bitch me out but I know an editor would have.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9543 Posts 07/15/2008 @ 03:09:08 PM
Well, I'm not sure what you're worried about. You don't work for a news station, you're allowed to make up all the rumors you want. Who exactly did you talk to?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	PackOne - 1528 Posts 07/15/2008 @ 03:13:03 PM
Go nutcan.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
PackOne messed with this at 07/15/2008 3:43:20 pm

	Jeremy - Always thinking of, but never about, the children. 07/15/2008 @ 03:21:03 PM
Well, you seem to have updated it with corrections. I think that's all you can do. You never reported it as fact to begin with.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9543 Posts 07/15/2008 @ 03:38:51 PM
PCARLISLE wrote: B.FAVRE HAS TO BE NUTS TO PLAY FOR THE BUC's. EVER SINCE THE BUC's BECAME A NFL TEAM THEY CAN'T BEAT THE STEELERS, THEY HAVE PLAYED THEM 9 TIMES & ONLY COULD BEAT THEM 2 TIMES & 1 TIME WAS PRE-SEASON, SO MAYBE B.FAVRE COULD HELP THEM BEAT THE STEELERS HA!HA! FORM A DIEHARD STEELERS FAN (ORIGIN FROM PITTSBURGH) WATCH OUT BIG BEN IS ON THE ROLL! THANK YOU PCARLISLE That is right up there with one of the stupider things I've ever read on the internet. Godspeed PCARLISLE. Edit: You also seem to have a rouge bold or strong tag causing 90% of your blog to be bolded.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
Jeremy perfected this at 07/15/2008 3:42:08 pm

	PackOne - There's music to play. Places to go. People to see. 07/15/2008 @ 03:41:44 PM
I don't feel quite as bad about myself now.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - No one's gay for Moleman 07/15/2008 @ 03:44:17 PM
Hedonism Bot: Less reality, more fantasy. Resume the opera. Fry: But I can't play anymore. Dr. Zoidberg: Yes, you can! The music was in your heart, not your hands. [Fry plays off key, everyone boos] Dr. Zoidberg: Your music's bad, and you should feel bad!		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	PackOne - There's music to play. Places to go. People to see. 07/15/2008 @ 03:46:18 PM
Not when I go there. Ill check it out.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	PackOne - Well use me, use me, 'caus you ain't that average groupie. 07/15/2008 @ 03:48:06 PM
I don't see any of that Jeremy		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9543 Posts 07/15/2008 @ 03:50:19 PM
Starting with the second post the whole rest of the page is bolded. Of course, that might be the desired effect too to differentiate the top post.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	PackOne - 1528 Posts 07/15/2008 @ 03:52:39 PM
i wonder if its a firefox thing i dont get that at all		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Wendy 07/15/2008 @ 03:53:43 PM
Jeremy Wrote - Today @ 02:58:29 PM By the way, maybe Wendy can comment on this (hey look there she is in Current Nutcanners) do you in the media usually report on wild rumors, quite literally off "some guys" blog? Ha...what are you psychic? Never mind, I guess that answers my question. No way. Now, I don't really know what Tampa 10 is (I thought it seemed like a CBS affiliate, but that's just a guess), but if it's a legit local news station, that whole "Rumor Mill: We Report Rumors and Then Check Them Out Later" motto is pretty shady. If it's a blog or an independent sort of site, I guess that makes more sense - and a lot of websites can get away with that and do daily. Growing trend of reporting anything and everything and then retracting it later if it's untrue.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jon - 3443 Posts 07/15/2008 @ 03:54:14 PM
Jeremy Wrote - Today @ 03:38:51 PM Edit: You also seem to have a rouge bold or strong tag causing 90% of your blog to be bolded. PackOne Wrote - Today @ 03:46:18 PM Not when I go there. Ill check it out. I don't see any bold		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
Jon messed with this 2 times, last at 07/15/2008 3:56:17 pm

	PackOne - If you got a problem ... yo i'll solve it. 07/15/2008 @ 03:57:38 PM
Thanks Jon, you might want to consider moving Jeremy down in the batting order then.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jon - 1000000 posts (and counting!) 07/15/2008 @ 03:58:58 PM
P.S. If anyone from the Tampa 10 station is reading this, I have it on good authority that the Packers are relocating to Muncie, IN.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
Jon messed with this at 07/15/2008 3:59:19 pm

	PackOne - 1528 Posts 07/15/2008 @ 03:59:32 PM
Wendy Wrote - Today @ 03:53:43 PM Jeremy Wrote - Today @ 02:58:29 PM By the way, maybe Wendy can comment on this (hey look there she is in Current Nutcanners) do you in the media usually report on wild rumors, quite literally off "some guys" blog? Ha...what are you psychic? Never mind, I guess that answers my question. No way. Now, I don't really know what Tampa 10 is (I thought it seemed like a CBS affiliate, but that's just a guess), but if it's a legit local news station, that whole "Rumor Mill: We Report Rumors and Then Check Them Out Later" motto is pretty shady. If it's a blog or an independent sort of site, I guess that makes more sense - and a lot of websites can get away with that and do daily. Growing trend of reporting anything and everything and then retracting it later if it's untrue. It's definitely a TV station, what the actual link is a part of I do not know.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - No one's gay for Moleman 07/15/2008 @ 04:01:43 PM
It's a firefox thing, though those lines are explicitly being "stronged." In fact, I've never seen so many strong tags at one get together. [Click to Enlarge]		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	PackOne - Well you can get this lapdance here for free. 07/15/2008 @ 04:04:31 PM
That is really weird. I have no idea. Each post is a seperate entry, so I don't know how the code could continue on.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9543 Posts 07/15/2008 @ 04:10:54 PM
It's not, as I said they are explicitly being told to be strong, but only in firefox. It must be a wordpress server-side thing.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	PackOne - 1528 Posts 07/15/2008 @ 04:11:42 PM
must be only on the new version, the old one doesnt seem to do it		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	PackOne - 1528 Posts 07/15/2008 @ 04:15:30 PM
I fixed it, it was a more tag in front of a bold		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - Super Chocolate Bear 07/15/2008 @ 04:17:19 PM
Hmm, it's not in the source, only when I view part of the source. It turns out it was my ad blocker......makes sense to me! Edit: Oh, cause I turned the ad blocker back on, because that couldn't have been it and it worked again. Mystery solved, I guess.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.
Jeremy edited this at 07/15/2008 4:24:29 pm

	Scott - 6225 Posts 07/15/2008 @ 05:50:13 PM
PackOne Wrote - Today @ 12:38:55 PM Hearing that the trade to Tampa is done. Someone saw Bruce Allen eating dinner with Brett Favre at Flemings. Then: An employee at Flemings confirmed they were both there. Then: Someone that works at the Bucs facility also called in, and said Brett toured the facility last night. Then: Someone called and said it's a done deal. A 2nd rounder & Chris Simms for Favre. UNCONFIRMED I in fact was eating dinner with Bruce Allen last night, and Brett Favre was nowhere to be found. Jose Conseco on the other hand was desperately trying to get resigned by the Rays; he just wouldn't leave us alone.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	Scott - On your mark...get set...Terrible! 07/15/2008 @ 06:09:20 PM
Wendy Wrote - Today @ 04:53:43 PM Jeremy Wrote - Today @ 03:58:29 PM By the way, maybe Wendy can comment on this (hey look there she is in Current Nutcanners) do you in the media usually report on wild rumors, quite literally off "some guys" blog? Ha...what are you psychic? Never mind, I guess that answers my question. No way. Now, I don't really know what Tampa 10 is (I thought it seemed like a CBS affiliate, but that's just a guess), but if it's a legit local news station, that whole "Rumor Mill: We Report Rumors and Then Check Them Out Later" motto is pretty shady. If it's a blog or an independent sort of site, I guess that makes more sense - and a lot of websites can get away with that and do daily. Growing trend of reporting anything and everything and then retracting it later if it's untrue. Tampa Bay's 10 is indeed the local CBS affiliate. It is one of the 6 channels I can pick up on my bunny ears. And that story was a "top" story on the other news channels yesterday because of how crazy and wrong it was. The Local Fox affiliate even opened up with something along the lines with "Apparently Brett Favre has been traded to the Bucs and John Gruden is expected to introduce him as the new QB tomorrow morning." They kind of made a joke out of it.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	PackOne - 1528 Posts 07/15/2008 @ 09:47:55 PM
Enough already. I didn't write it until late this morning. It wasn't me.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	PackOne - 1528 Posts 07/15/2008 @ 10:06:12 PM
Guess what boys. Got this from a 'real' source. "I might have a few sources to confirm that Favre and his wife might have been in Tampa yesterday. Still working on them though. Apparently, Favre had dinner with Bruce Allen (as opposed to what Tampa Bay's 10 said) and Favre's wife toured a local hospital." Straight from a horses mouth.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 07/15/2008 @ 10:13:12 PM
Did that come from an actual horse?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	PackOne - 1528 Posts 07/15/2008 @ 10:15:33 PM
Nope, but this one is as solid as they come and then some.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	PackOne - That hypocrite smokes two packs a day. 07/16/2008 @ 03:20:43 PM
Just wanted someone to see it. One is enough.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
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	Jeremy - 9543 Posts 07/16/2008 @ 03:30:55 PM
Don't divulge your sources! (Not to mention put all his contact info out there )		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	PackOne - 1528 Posts 07/16/2008 @ 03:35:44 PM
PS His info is all over the place now. But, you are right.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	PackOne - 1528 Posts 07/16/2008 @ 03:38:56 PM
I know you guys think I'm nuts, but I'm not, really.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 07/16/2008 @ 05:55:56 PM
nuts for the can, maybe		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
Scott edited this at 07/16/2008 5:56:09 pm

	PackOne - 1528 Posts 07/16/2008 @ 06:22:12 PM
the can rules.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jon - infinity + 1 posts 07/17/2008 @ 08:47:57 PM
There's no written confirmation that I've found, but I heard Greta Van Susteren say that LeRoy Butler is going to be on her show tonight. I doubt it will be for very long though, since he's not listed as being on as of right now.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	PackOne - 1528 Posts 07/17/2008 @ 09:06:35 PM
Greg Jennings made a statement today. It's at nfl.com videos.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 07/18/2008 @ 07:42:37 PM
If you build it, he will stay? The guy that took the picture in this article is my dad's cousin. Anyone going to walk through this?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - How do you use these things? 07/20/2008 @ 08:33:58 PM
I missed most of Favre's acceptance speech, I hope they play it again.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	PackOne - The Harvard comma's #1 fan. 07/21/2008 @ 10:18:53 AM
Go to my blog www.citizenwausau.com/packone it's there somewhere		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	PackOne - The Harvard comma's #1 fan. 07/21/2008 @ 08:14:44 PM
Pro Football talk is reporting that Favre will STAY retired. Unconfirmed. http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/21/favre-is-done/		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Alex - 3619 Posts 07/23/2008 @ 01:05:07 PM
Supposedly Favre called the Vikings from a Packer issued cell phone http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Brett-Favre-might-want-to-invest-in-his-own-cell?urn=nfl,95401 He should've A) said he would play for the Packers and if decided to retire later I don't think it would've been that big a deal except to maybe Packers' management B) Said straight up that he didn't want to play for the Packers anymore C) Road off into the sunset. The Packers may or may not be handling this thing the best way, but I think it's pretty clear that Favre has turned this into one hell of a traveshamockery.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9543 Posts 07/23/2008 @ 01:15:38 PM
Tarvaris Jackson needs to call Mick McCarthy and Ted Thompson a lot so the Vikings can file tampering charges against the Packers. In Fact, he should do it every 15 minutes, that would clearly be inappropriate amounts of contact with another teams player. Want to know something that's really funny? The Packers could be in a world of hurt here because said cell phone was not listed in Brett's contract, and thus did not count against the cap. It's semi-unlikely anything comes of it, unless it turns out there are a few other Packer issued cell phones out there, in which case "the Packers may wish they'd have let the whole thing alone."		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Alex - 3619 Posts 07/23/2008 @ 01:36:30 PM
Well, the phone records would show how long the call lasted too so if they didn't answer or answered and said, "Tarvaris who?" and hung up I don't think there would be much of a case there. So are the contracts supposed to list the free toilet paper that the players used in the team facilities too?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - Robots don't say 'ye' 07/23/2008 @ 01:52:26 PM
I think that's pushing it a bit far. You can't sign a player for $1 a year, so that's all that counts toward the cap, and then say "Hmm, it looks like someone left the keys in the door of that house over there with the Ferrari in the driveway. Why don't you go move in there until the original owner comes back." Now, obviously the cell phone isn't as much, but it's still something he's being given that costs a fairly significant amount of money that Favre is being somewhat singled out on. If you were an hourly employee and your business decided to cover your cell phone it would be like getting a 30-50 cent an hour raise. That's a little different then saying "we provide you pens and toilet paper, so be sure to factor that into your W2." As I implied, the Packers won't have to surrender their Lombardi Trophy, but it's a lame technicality, much like this tampering charge, that might end up getting them is at least as much trouble. Also, if Favre called Childress and they talked for 8 hours, that doesn't imply anything. Who's to say what they're talking about? There are no rules saying they aren't allowed to talk, period.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
Jeremy screwed with this at 07/23/2008 1:54:49 pm

	PackOne - 1528 Posts 07/23/2008 @ 05:56:29 PM
I think you are wrong, but I'll let you do the legwork. http://www.nflplayers.com/user/template.aspx?fmid=181&lmid=231&pid=650&type=c The CBA.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - Cube Phenomenoligist 07/23/2008 @ 06:03:18 PM
Well there are a lot of aspects of that could be wrong, and I'm not going to read the C.B.A. It's not like I sat down with a copy of Brett's contract. I'm just reporting what other people (and not 3 boobs on a random blog) are saying.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	PackOne - 1528 Posts 07/23/2008 @ 06:50:18 PM
It's actually a pretty interesting read. The fact that you won't read it, and don't have Brett's contract, disappoints me greatly. I thought this place was something special. Sniff.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9543 Posts 07/23/2008 @ 10:13:24 PM
Who could read that? It's gibberish unless you have a law degree, and I'm fairly convinced it's gibberish even then.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	craig - Get up! Get up! Get out of here! Gone! For Robbie Deer. 07/24/2008 @ 07:23:45 PM
You know it occurs to me that the real problem is that Brett Favre just needs to grow up. You're doing a job Brett, people are counting on you to do that job, millions of dollars depend on you doing your job, you can't jerk those people around over and over without them getting tired of it. Imagine being a manager at some company where your top salesperson keeps quiting (or threatening to quit, or retiring and unretiring) over and over again. Sure, they bring in the money, but, you're trying to keep your job to, you need to set budgets, hire new people, and make plans for next year. No matter how good the person is you can only put up with that crap so long.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 2 times.

	jthompto - 209 Posts 07/25/2008 @ 07:32:21 AM
The Favre aint jerking anyone around, every older player goes throgh the same type of thing every year. Micheal Strahan basically just showed up for the first game and said I'm playing this year and it worked out for them. The decision for a player to retire is the player's alone and Brett wants to play, so the Pack should welcome him back (not as a backup or coach) or release him. If a top salesman retired then wanted to come back, I doubt the company would say "well we don't want you here, but then again we dont want you working for anyone else either" Packers keep saying they have moved on, then why not let Brett move on too. By the way, whoever thought of this shareholder concept is a genius. Let people give us money to buy "shares" of the Green Bay Packers, but they get no say in any decisions made and receive no dividend. But we will give them a piece of paper for it.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - Pie Racist 07/25/2008 @ 09:26:50 AM
I know, it's really unfair to the other teams. The Packers can just hold some lame as collection anytime they want anything.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	PackOne - 1528 Posts 07/25/2008 @ 10:10:56 AM
The concept is genius. Let people feel important with no power. Can you imagine if they did let the stockholders make the decisions? Im sick of the let Brett move on banter. He signed a contract, he is bound by its terms. You don't send your five star general to Al Qaeda, the same concept applies here.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	craig - This is Anfield 07/25/2008 @ 08:45:51 PM
PackOne Wrote - Today @ 10:10:56 AM The concept is genius. Let people feel important with no power. Can you imagine if they did let the stockholders make the decisions? Yes, I can, it would be like any legitimate company. Though I agree it's genius -- it's free money for the Packers. Is there ANY advantage to these things? Besides them being suitable for framing? I don't think there is. They are as worthless now, and meaningless, as they were when they were initially sold. I'm tired of Brett Favre, my hope is the Packers will let their backup punter wear number 4 this year.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 2 times.

	craig - 14499 Posts 07/25/2008 @ 08:48:10 PM
jthompto Wrote - Today @ 07:32:21 AM The Favre aint jerking anyone around, every older player goes throgh the same type of thing every year. No, they don't. And yes he is.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	PackOne - Yeah, and you don't stop, 'caus its 1-8-7 on a ... 07/25/2008 @ 09:03:15 PM
The Favre is a whiny little baby. I agree with Craig whole-heartedly.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	jthompto 07/26/2008 @ 09:03:20 AM
PackOne Wrote - 12/31/1969 @ 06:00:00 PM Im sick of the let Brett move on banter. He signed a contract, he is bound by its terms. . Yes he signed a contract to play for the Packers and they won't let him. So let him go somewhere else. craig Wrote - 12/31/1969 @ 06:00:00 PM PackOne Wrote - 12/31/1969 @ 06:00:00 PM I'm tired of Brett Favre, my hope is the Packers will let their backup punter wear number 4 this year. Amazing how Packer fans have turned on Favre so easily.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	craig - This is Anfield 07/26/2008 @ 12:37:42 PM
craig Wrote - Yesterday @ 08:45:51 PM PackOne Wrote - Yesterday @ 10:10:56 AM I'm tired of Brett Favre, my hope is the Packers will let their backup punter wear number 4 this year. Amazing how Packer fans have turned on Favre so easily. Well, to be honest, I've never been that crazy about Favre (as a person, not a quarterback). It probably has to do with his godlike standing with Packer fans. He's just a dumb athlete, and is going to do dumb athlete things.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jon - 3443 Posts 07/28/2008 @ 01:13:08 AM
I really find the whole changed opinion on Favre quite interesting. He could do no wrong for almost two decades and now he's public enemy #1. I'm having a hard time dealing with it really. I don't know if I should be proud of the Packer fans for finally taking off their favre-colored glasses or if I should scold them for their sudden 180. And I get that he messed this up and everything so it might be easier to side with the organization, but if they just "give in" to Favre and let him play for them despite his screw ups, that might actually be what's best for the team and the fans. So it might be that you can be loyal to the team and still support a Favre comeback. Which is somewhat funny because in the past, when he was playing with a broken thumb and throwing too many interceptions or contemplating retiring or undercutting his teammates, everyone defended the idea of him staying and playing and doing whatever he wanted, even though it was questionable if it was the best for the team win/loss-wise. It still is an unknown, but the common opinion is that they'd be better with him this time. But maybe they wouldn't. Still, I don't know if I can fault the fans for feeling angry at what Favre has done, it's just so confusing that now is the time it finally comes to this.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Alex - I don't need to get steady I know just how I feel 07/28/2008 @ 12:49:39 PM
Every year that he's pulled the whole retirement thing I think fans have become less and less accepting of it. If this offseason was the first time it came up and then he said, "hmm...I think I still want to play" the fans would have been way more supportive. Favre might give them the best chance to win this year, but really a good time to give a new QB a start is when he doesn't have to carry the team and the Packers are good enough that Rodgers won't be asked to do that. So it's as good a time as any for them to move on, everyone is sick of Favre's shenanigans even if he can still play, and really Favre hasn't been good in the playoffs since 10 years ago anyway. If Eli Manning can win a Super Bowl, so can Aaron Rodgers. And I think all the Favre bashers (and semi-reasonable Packer fans) should be thankful that the Kool-Aid ocean finally dried up. It was always destined to come to this. Edit: For the record I don't only blame Favre for the whole mess. This was an entirely predictable scenario and Packers management was seemingly caught off guard. Or their plan was to pretend to be caught off guard, which would be even worse because it was an entirely predictable scenario. I just hope the Brewers are still playing in October and the Badgers go undefeated and I don't have to deal with the Packers this year.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
Alex edited this at 07/28/2008 1:14:23 pm

	Jeremy - 9543 Posts 07/28/2008 @ 01:51:16 PM
I think it has to do a lot with the fact that as far as the general public went it went from rumor (which Favre pseudo-denied) to full blown bedlam with Favre's official first public act being to declare he wanted to be released. I think that left a lingering sting in the eyes of the public and everything that's transpired since just keeps stirring the same "he's willing to play for another team?!?" pot. In reality other than Favre's initial waffling, which everyone but Nostradamous called, Favre hasn't done much else other than counter all the misinformation that's out there. (Tampering, the cell phone, ect) It's pretty much been bungled from top to bottom, from day one, by the Packers. There's murmuring out there that the Packers may have no choice but to cut Favre, now that he's clearly willing to call their "show up for camp" bluff and since their asking price of a 1st rounder is so unreasonable that it's not a very good show of faith to Favre or Rodger Goodell that they are trying to resolve this. (Even in the context of a "we're starting high" negotiation.) It's true the Packers are in a no-win situation. However, if they would have just told the truth from the get go I think it wouldn't look so bad. They don't just care about "Favre's legacy", they care about what's best for the franchise. (Part of which is indeed worrying about alienating their most important alum.) They want to move on without Brett, and they want to trade him to control where he could go. I think most fans would understand that, and I don't think Brett really expected his release anyway. They just sort of hoped they could bluff Favre into staying home for good and now find themselves in a situation where there's such a big gulf between Favre and the Packers that it's not clear where Brett would do more harm to the Packers; on their roster, or on the Vikings'.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
Jeremy screwed with this 2 times, last at 07/28/2008 1:57:59 pm

	Matt - Washington Bureau Chief 07/28/2008 @ 02:45:29 PM
Jeremy Wrote - Today @ 01:51:16 PM In reality other than Favre's initial waffling, which everyone but Nostradamous called It's Nostradamus. I'm surprised you made this mistake, seeing as you're such a big follower of the man.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - Pie Racist 07/28/2008 @ 03:05:17 PM
Don't be a smart ass. Also, I didn't actually look it up, I'm sure there is someone out there claiming he did see this coming. I can't find anything because too many people have made the "you didn't have to be Nostradamus to see this coming" joke about Favre. However his eventual trade to the Jets is foretold here. During the appearance of the bearded star. The three great princes will be made enemies: Struck from the sky, peace earth quaking, Po, Tiber overflowing, serpent placed upon the shore.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - On your mark...get set...Terrible! 07/28/2008 @ 04:04:19 PM
where are the Jets in that stanza?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - As Seen On The Internet 07/28/2008 @ 04:12:59 PM
There's a reference to the shore, and the three princes of the NFL are Kraft, Belichick, and Brady...duh. Edit: Quatrain, not stanza.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
Jeremy messed with this at 07/28/2008 4:20:05 pm

	Matt - Ombudsman 07/28/2008 @ 05:10:46 PM
Who's Hister? Is it Ted Thompson, or Aaron Rodgers?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Alex - 3619 Posts 07/28/2008 @ 05:17:42 PM
Maybe Favre is really try to take one for the team and join the Vikings so that he can throw a crucial interception to kill the Vikings season and give the Packers the game or division or playoff win. You know this will happen if he plays for the Vikings.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	Jeremy - 9543 Posts 07/28/2008 @ 05:27:27 PM
Maybe this whole thing is a conspiracy to get the fans behind Rodgers and screw the Vikings out of some draft picks. Here Brett is committing hara-kiri with his legacy to help the Packers organization and all you bastards hate him for it.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4671 Posts 07/28/2008 @ 05:58:18 PM
I bet if Favre was still playing, Valdosta GA would not be titletown USA.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 2 times.

	Scott - Resident Tech Support 07/28/2008 @ 06:46:12 PM
I don't hate Favre for this. I'm basically hoping he ends up playing for some team, Packers or otherwise.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Carlos44ec - Since 1980! 07/29/2008 @ 07:43:14 AM
I hope he just calls it a career. MJ did this to me too; I don't want to be angry with Brett.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	PackOne - 1528 Posts 07/29/2008 @ 09:43:38 AM
I quit caring. Sarah I had to turd you. No hard feelings.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 2 times.

	Scott - On your mark...get set...Terrible! 07/29/2008 @ 10:11:04 AM
why do fans get angry when players want to play longer? Why do fans think players should only play until the fans think they should be done? This has never bothered me and it probably never will. If Favre plays for another team, I will continue to cheer him on. Get over it people.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 3 times.

	Jeremy - As Seen On The Internet 07/29/2008 @ 10:39:39 AM
I don't think the problem is that Brett wants to play longer. I would imagine 99% of Packer nation wanted him back after last season. I would guess that a majority of fans would still want/take him back now. It's the thought of him on another team combined with the fact that if he's so determined to play he'll try anything, including burning bridges and playing for rivals, then why did he ever retire? I think he's starting to get more and more slack from fans as it's made more and more clear it was the Packers who told him to take a hike.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	PackOne - 1528 Posts 07/29/2008 @ 01:55:23 PM
Did you hear the Packers have announced the dismissal of a staff member supposedly leaking inside and very private information? Some of it bogus? Could prove to be an interesting story. "A Green Bay Packer employee is in the process of being fired. Said employee had access to much internal team tactical and strategic information but the extent of the breach is unknown and would be speculative. What is known is that the employee directly or through intermediaries leaked sensitive internal information and private discussions(some actual, some bogus) to the media and others. The leaks and conduct can be characterized as skewing or compromising the position of the organization. Virtually all levels of the Green Bay hierarchy including the Board of Directors, Team president/CEO Mark Murphy, General Manager Ted Thompson, Head Coach Mike McCarthy and the Players have been in discussion or advised of the situation. Evidently the detrimental conduct had been going on for some time but the organization felt that the recent violations too egregious to overlook. More information may be forthcoming as Green Bay attempts to handle the situation with league assistance. Currently the league is investigating the matter and the employee who was reassigned during the summer has been relieved of responsibilities. No reasons were given for the employees destructive actions but seem to be vindictive and for personal profit." Here's some training camp video too.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jon - 3443 Posts 07/29/2008 @ 02:01:53 PM
Is that employee Brett Favre?		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 3 times.

	Carlos44ec - 2079 Posts 07/29/2008 @ 02:47:07 PM
I'm actually excited for the preseason, looking forward to a new team. Hope Favre does what makes him happy, but in the end I just want to watch exciting football and have a team that does well.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	PackOne - At the Dollhouse in Ft. Lauderdale. 07/31/2008 @ 01:17:24 PM
Favre has chartered a plane to Green Bay. http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/31/report-favre-charters-plane-to-head-north/		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	frozentundrafan - 21 Posts 07/31/2008 @ 03:20:19 PM
That just appeared on a scroll on the bottom of ESPN but has yet to be confirmed. On another note, oh how the Favre watch turns. Now, it looks like Favre will either be a Viking or remain a Packer. After management's feeble attempt to retire him a Packer ($20 million over 10 years to not play), Favre is insisting on showing up to camp wanting to play. This forces management into a tight spot. Do they go back on their word about Rodgers? Or do they look to the Vikings for trade value? I am dumbfounded and royally p'd off right now at how this has been handled on both sides. However, after going through all of this as a dedicated Favre/Packers fan, I almost am ready for the Vikings to make an offer and for Favre to be traded to them. If that were to occur, I can almost guarantee the state of Minnesota/MSP area will no longer be blacked out for Vikings games. You are going to see a massive increase in season ticket sales if Favre were to be traded. My brother and I being two of them. Don't get me wrong, we would still be loyal to the green and gold, but also loyal to the team that Brett Favre would play for. Wouldn't that make for great TV on MNF in September??? Anyone ready for some football?		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 2 times.

	Carlos44ec - A Vote for me is a Vote against Terrorism! ...or atleast just wasted. 07/31/2008 @ 04:01:05 PM
I like this Frozentundrafan character. Of course we would still be fans of the man- however I would draw the line at being a fan of the player, not their team. For example: I really like Adrian Peterson, though I hope the majority of his team gets athletes foot.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Alex - I was too weak to give in Too strong to lose 07/31/2008 @ 06:02:45 PM
I'm utterly embarrassed to be a Packer fan after management tried to bribe Favre into retirement with money. A bribe of, hey you can be head coach after McCarthy or something like that would've been acceptable, but a bribe of money is just insulting.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 3 times.

	jthompto 07/31/2008 @ 07:18:36 PM
Good point Alex, Packers Managment really messed this one up. I don't think there is anyway that Favre can be a member of the Packers at this point. It will be interesting to see what the Packers get for him, I can't imagine it will be much considering the Vikings know that the Packers HAVE to get rid of him.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	PackOne - 1528 Posts 07/31/2008 @ 08:34:11 PM
They didn't mess up anything. This is a business, and obviously Favre at least thought about it enough to have a private meeting for a day. It was quite clear what the intent of the meeting was long before he got there. When has anything not been about the money in professional sports. This case in no different. I'm not embarrassed at all being a Packer fan, I'd rather give the guy two million a year for ten years then watch him play for the enemy. It's all business. That being said, he's going to New York.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	jthompto - 209 Posts 07/31/2008 @ 08:56:15 PM
I have never heard of any organization bribing a player (who has done more for them than any other player in the teams history) to just go away. This is not about money, otherwise Favre would have took the 20 mil. I seriously doubt he will end up in New York, requardless of what the latest report is.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 2 times.

	PackOne - The girls all know he's "way cool" Jr. 07/31/2008 @ 09:04:40 PM
ESPN is reporting that Favre is now seriously considering the Packers offer for a ten year merchandising deal. So turd right back at ya. This is all about the money.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	PackOne - Make my own decisions. That's my perogative. 07/31/2008 @ 09:05:22 PM
Wendy Nix on now. Highlights: - 2 sources saying that Favre is seriously considering the merchandising/marketing deal to stay retired. - Trade is not imminent, to any team. - This deal was first brought to him shortly after he retired, but has just now been revisited. - Expects a resolution to the weekend, one that could be surprisingly amicable, after all that has transpired the past few weeks.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	PackOne - 1528 Posts 07/31/2008 @ 09:06:44 PM
It's now on ESPNEWS's Bottom Line: "Favre actively considering taking deal from Packers to keep him in retirement."		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Carlos44ec - "Always remember that you are unique. Just like everybody else." 07/31/2008 @ 09:16:45 PM
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	craig - 132 Posts 07/31/2008 @ 09:43:48 PM
PackOne Wrote - Today @ 09:05:22 PM Wendy Nix on now. Highlights: - 2 sources saying that Favre is seriously considering the merchandising/marketing deal to stay retired. - Trade is not imminent, to any team. - This deal was first brought to him shortly after he retired, but has just now been revisited. - Expects a resolution to the weekend, one that could be surprisingly amicable, after all that has transpired the past few weeks. So, a $20 million dollar merchandising/marketing deal is enough to make his 'itch' to play go away? Sure, maybe he's just reconsidered the whole thing, and decided it's not worth the agony, but, if he takes the deal, what does that say about him? It certainly does not look good. Some could even concoct elaborate schemes where the whole thing was about nothing more than a bargaining ploy to get a better deal. Not that I'm suggesting (or believe) that's what this is all about.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	Alex - Ignorance is bliss to those uneducated 07/31/2008 @ 09:48:16 PM
Well, if Favre takes the money and runs after all this then I'd be embarrassed to be a Favre fan too.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	PackOne - 1528 Posts 07/31/2008 @ 10:16:58 PM
I'd be okay with Brett if he took it. If you take the hard line Favre first stance, he deserves it, if you don't you're happy. It's a win all the way around. I also think that if this report finally holds some water, the most interesting thing is that they offered this to him shortly after retiring. I find that little blurb the most intriguing of them all.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	PackOne - 1528 Posts 07/31/2008 @ 10:20:11 PM
Wow. http://blogs.jsonline.com/packers/archive/2008/07/31/favre-willing-to-take-packers-offer.aspx		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	PackOne - Make my own decisions. That's my perogative. 07/31/2008 @ 10:50:01 PM
Now ESPN says it's twenty five million, and almost done. Can't sign no matter what with any team this season if he takes it.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	craig - 132 Posts 08/01/2008 @ 03:36:56 PM
Just when it seemed this whole mess was over, it seems Don Majkowski is coming out of retirement too. http://www.sportspickle.com/features/volume7/2008-0716-majkowski.html Now it'll be a three way battle for the starting quarterback job. Oh, it's a good time to be a Packer fan!		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	jthompto - 209 Posts 08/01/2008 @ 06:18:05 PM
I still find it hard to believe that he is going to stay retired. Why would the Favre go through all this trouble just to stay retired and get 20 mil, which he doesnt need. From what I heard the Packers were going to do this type of offer anyway, even before all of this. I just want this to be over, its getting annoying, too many different stories and rumors, you never knwo what to beileve.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	Carlos44ec - You had me at "Hello" 08/01/2008 @ 07:13:00 PM
jthompto Wrote - Today @ 06:18:05 PM ...Why would the Favre... I'm so proud of you right now Joe... "THE Favre"		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	PackOne - Well use me, use me, 'caus you ain't that average groupie. 08/01/2008 @ 07:25:47 PM
Carlos44ec Wrote - Today @ 07:13:00 PM jthompto Wrote - Today @ 06:18:05 PM ...Why would the Favre... I'm so proud of you right now Joe... "THE Favre" That is pretty good.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	frozentundrafan 08/01/2008 @ 10:31:55 PM
Good 'ol Teddy Thompson will never live this one down no matter how this turns out. He can't win. If he gives Favre the $, or trades him, Packer nation will not forgive him if Rodgers either a)gets injured or b)sucks royally. the only validation will be a win in the NFC Championship game and a trip to the super bowl. To pay a player $25 million because management knows he is better than Rodgers and to keep him away has to be the stupidest move ever.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 3 times.

	Scott - Resident Tech Support 08/01/2008 @ 10:36:15 PM
Except that Ted Thompson doesn't make decision like this. This one had to come from the top. The GM doesn't make marketing decisions. From what I understand, this proposal has been on the table since March, but it just became "public" within the last couple of days. Some Packer fans have for some reason had an unjust hatred of Ted Thompson since he took over, and I those who hate him after this probably already hated him unfairly.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 2 times.

	PackOne - 1528 Posts 08/02/2008 @ 12:07:04 AM
PackOne Wrote - 07/31/2008 @ 09:04:40 PM ESPN is reporting that Favre is now seriously considering the Packers offer for a ten year merchandising deal. So turd right back at ya. This is all about the money. Thank you Vandermause. http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080801/PKR07/80801106/1058/PKR01		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jon - 1000000 posts (and counting!) 08/02/2008 @ 01:40:44 AM
What? Sports is a business? What a groundbreaking article from 1983. Anyway, "This is all about the money" isn't an accurate summation of the situation regardless. In fact the article says: "As for the Packers, they have designated Aaron Rodgers their starter. History will judge the wisdom of that decision, but in the meantime the Packers can’t have Favre’s long shadow looming over Rodgers. They also would be foolish to give Favre an opportunity to play for the Vikings, who are just a good quarterback away from becoming a bona fide Super Bowl contender." Worries about your young qb and division rivals winning isn't really all about money. Neither is Favre's desire to play for a contending team or no team at all. Sports is about money and it's about ego and it's about winning and it all factors into the decisions people make. Like you said, you'd rather pay him than watch him play for the enemy. Money is involved, to be sure, but it's not all about the money. And I'm not big on fans getting on their high horses about money and stuff like that, but you can't deny the incredible lameness level this whole thing would reach by Favre taking this deal. You don't make this big a stink about wanting to play and then say, "nah, I didn't really want to play anyway" just because they cut you a check. It doesn't save face, it just shows Favre either overstated his desire to play or overestimated his ability to go somewhere desirable or something else equally as depressing. It doesn't put the worms back in the can (is that a phrase?). It's just one possible ugly ending to the crapload of ugliness this has become. If people are disgusted by Favre taking this deal, it isn't just because of the same tired, "athletes should want to play for the love of the game" argument. Brett Favre, if we are to believe him, (and maybe that "if" is waaaaaay bigger than we ever thought) was ready to be released and play for another team. He just wanted to play. Now, maybe he didn't realize this, but he probably would have ended up getting paid by his new team less than half of what he would have gotten from the Packers. But he wanted to play. He didn't care about his legacy, he wanted to play. He told Greta Van Susteren so, right? He'll worry about his legacy, just give him his release. So if he takes this deal, what do we make of all that? This wouldn't be ugly because Brett Favre isn't living up to our ridiculous standards that we set, it'd be ugly because it would seem like Favre isn't living up to the persona he's built up for himself recently. Namely, a guy who wanted to play and didn't mind if he had to part ways with the Packers to do it. And it's ugly from the Packers side because they'd be paying a guy to do what would, by almost everyone's account, be opposite of what is good for the team this year. The fact that Dan Marino got a deal like this doesn't mean anything. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Marino wasn't coming off of one of his best seasons ever in which his team almost made the Super Bowl. Why do the Packers NOT want him back SO much? That's the real question. If they really think Rodgers is better, then let him show it in a competition. That would be the best thing for the Packers anyway. They would be completely off the hook and no fan could be mad at them and they'd be a good team. At the very least, they could bring Favre back, but with the understanding that at the first sign of trouble, it's Aaron's ball. Again, they'd be pretty much completely off the hook, because it's not their fault Favre's not playing well and he's the one who wanted to come back. So why are they not doing that? If it's to protect Rodgers somehow, it's nonsense. If Rodgers' is so fragile that competition would scar him forever, then he's not the future anyway so it doesn't matter much. But the way they're going about it, they are completely ON the hook for everything that happens. Rogers gets hurt, he sucks, he's mediocre -- it's all their fault. It's their choice and it wasn't determined on the field through a natural process of choosing the best guy. They actively pushed away an opportunity to (possibly) be better and the opportunity to not be the bad guy. But with their way there is so little chance they can have a good outcome in this. How is that a good business decision? At face value, it doesn't seem to be. So, unless the organization is willing to explain (logically and, more importantly, truthfully) why they are doing it this way, how can you not be annoyed with them too? (I mean is there some kind of big coverup of something unsightly here, where the Packers are actually protecting Favre's legacy somehow, even though he's pulled no punches publicly about taking his legacy in his own hands? That doesn't seem very likely either.) I really rambled here and said a lot of stuff that's already been said, but I think I may have made a point or two in there somewhere. Sorry it's so long and probably so hard to read.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.
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	Matt - Washington Bureau Chief 08/02/2008 @ 02:43:23 AM
PackOne Wrote - Today @ 12:07:04 AM PackOne Wrote - 07/31/2008 @ 09:04:40 PM ESPN is reporting that Favre is now seriously considering the Packers offer for a ten year merchandising deal. So turd right back at ya. This is all about the money. Thank you Vandermause. http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080801/PKR07/80801106/1058/PKR01 1. If this is all about money, why did he retire in the first place? 2. If this is all about money, why didn't he take this deal when it was first offered? 3. If this is all about money, then the Packers are pretty f****** stupid to have let it get this far when all they needed to do was offer him some more money. While money will probably be part of Favre's decision in this matter, I doubt it will be the main reason. In my opinion, if he decides to take the deal, it will be because this whole crazy process has tampered his desire to play enough that a solution like this, that will allow both sides to save some face, is more desirable than continuing his comeback.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	PackOne - 1528 Posts 08/02/2008 @ 07:12:13 AM
Matt 1. Because he wants to play for Minny. 2. Not sure, dumb maybe? 3. I've never heard you swear or asterick swear either. I am sick of hearing about his desire to play. His only desire to play is for the Vikings or Chicago. Otherwise, he would have at least heard some other team out. Jon - Good points, I don't think he would be doing what everyone thinks is best for the team. I don't think him coming back is best for the team at all, on a variety of fronts. I don't want to hear it, "Shut Up" (quote by that one ref)		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	frozentundrafan 08/02/2008 @ 07:48:09 AM
PackOne, I am going to have to disagree with you on your point about him coming back to the team would be not good. Sure Rodgers has taken all the snaps in camp, and is prepared to be the starter. But man, oh man, how do you think all the other athletes on offense get paid? By looking good on the field. Who gives them the best chance to meet their incentives in their contract?? Brett Favre, of course. Have you heard one Packers player that has been interviewed come straight out and say that they don't want Favre in camp? That they would rather have Rodgers? Management has been very careful in how they have had the players respond to the media. If there was a poll taken in the locker room of who the team would want as a starter, even now Favre would win out. I don't care if training camp would become the second coming of the Barnum and Bailey Circus if Favre came back. He still gives the team the best chance to win, and football is a money making business and that's all, period.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	PackOne - Don't mess with Jeremy. He owns your tag lines. 08/02/2008 @ 08:23:10 AM
Ugh. I'm not going to argue anymore. I like you guys too much. But I can't help myself. This is in response to a number of things... first, the whole idea of TT's alleged "ego trip," second, the notion that Favre would be guaranteed to show up Aaron Rodgers from day one, and third, something my dad reminded me of: Favre's play dropped off noticeably towards the end of the season. In fact, Favre's play has dropped off considerably in each of the past three seasons as they've progressed.. We'll go chronologically... 2005 Though a lot of the blame did not rest with the awful play and coaching around him, it would be hard to make a case he had a worse year then this. All of us here remember that. But what many don't remember from that year was that Favre started off the season pretty well. Through 6 games he was among the league leaders in yards, tds, and qb rating with 14 tds to 8 ints. This despite the team being a lousy 1-5. Unfortunately this would not hold up with Favre throwing only 6 more tds to 21 ints over the final 10 games, the worst of it coming in the final 5 games during which he threw only 1 td and 10 ints. 2006 Again in 2006 Favre started out better than he finished. Though he wasn't putting up the big numbers he was capable of he still had a 2:1 td to int ration posting 10 tds to 5 ints through the first 7 games, and 13 tds to 7 through the first 9. However, over the final seven he reversed that, throwing for just 5 tds and 11 ints. 2007 Favre was his old self again. He posted 28 tds to just 15 ints and had a qb rating of 95.7. And besides the stats he brought back some of his old come back magic with dramatic wins over San Diego, Denver, and Kansas City. But once again, Favre's performance towards the end could not match up to how he started. First, all three dramatic wins mentioned above happened in the first half of the season, with Kansas City coming in week 9. Granted, the emergence of our running game led to fewer close games but in the second half of the season, in the one game where we needed that magic the most it wasn't there. Second, Favre stats, once again dropped off. Over the final seven games of the season (five regular season, two playoff) Favre threw eleven touchdowns to nine interceptions (compared to 22 to eight). His completion percentage also dropped from 68.4 to 60.7. This stands out to me, especially because if you go back and look at previous season this was, in general, not happening (it happened to some extend in '02 but the reverse happened in '01). It suggests to me that he just doesn't have the energy to play at his level for an entire season anymore. And couple this trend with the fact that Favre has not been with the team all off season preparing and will turn 39 in a few months, I have to question whether or not he would be better than Aaron Rodgers this coming year. It's certainly not a sure bet. And even if he is guaranteed a hot start, is it worth mortgaging our very near future to watch him tail off for a fourth time? I ask this in response to the almost certainty some seem to have that TT is stroking his ego. Maybe TT isn't thinking about it as "my guy" vs. "the previous guy's guy," and actually is trying to do what he thinks is best for the team. On the other hand, Thompson and McCarthy met in January to discuss whether they wanted Favre back in 08 as the starter. They carefully reviewed his play during the 07 season, including the games against Chicago and the NY Giants. Based on that review, they concluded Favre still was their best quarterback for the 08 season, and McCarthy lobbied Favre to come back until Favre made his retirement decision. They still felt that way a few weeks later, when Favre made his first noises about changing his mind. The team's current thinking about Favre has more to do with Favre's performance during the 08 offseason, not his performance during previous seasons. Now the team is willing to take more of a gamble on Aaron Rodgers. No more on this for me. That took too long.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - You're going to have to call your hardware guy. It's not a software issue. 08/02/2008 @ 10:20:27 AM
For the record, Favre has performed "worse" in every season in the months of November and December than he has in September and October. The weather plays a lot into that. I do not think that Favre taking the deal will be quite what Jon says it will be. He has been waffling for some time, and he has a very hard decision to make. He says he wants to play, but that is just a decision he is considering. I thinks he wants to play. But when an opportunity to continue to be a part of the Packers organization in a different role came along, maybe he took a long hard look in the mirror and decided that he only thought he wanted to play that badly. The problem with this whole situation as that when a public figure like Favre goes through a thought process like this (no matter how drawn out it becomes), every little detail about his thinking is public. I do not at all want to get into the Packers management situation, because it is a complicated mess and this really is a sad situation for the organization. My opinion of Favre has not changed and it has nothing to do with rose colored glasses. I just don't think Favre has that much wrong in this situation. It is sad that it got to this point, but I hope it ends with both sides being at the very least mutually agreeable. As for Rodgers, what better time for a developing QB to prove his worth than taking the reins of an offense with 3 very good receivers, a pretty darn good pass catching tight end, and a potentially outstanding RB (if Grant gets a contract). I for one am excited to see what Rodgers can do. If he can avoid injury, I think the short time we saw him against the Cowboys could be an indication of what he is capable of.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	PackOne - 1528 Posts 08/02/2008 @ 02:49:14 PM
There is only one authority on this subject, and he finally had something to say today.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 08/02/2008 @ 03:23:10 PM
That sort of interesting, because Lynn Dickey said basically the same thing I just posted.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jon - infinity + 1 posts 08/03/2008 @ 05:00:03 AM
Scott Wrote - Yesterday @ 10:20:27 AM As for Rodgers, what better time for a developing QB to prove his worth than ...in training camp in a qb competition where he earns his job against a proven quarterback. (That's what you meant to say right?) Scott Wrote - Yesterday @ 10:20:27 AM I for one am excited to see what Rodgers can do. If he can avoid injury, I think the short time we saw him against the Cowboys could be an indication of what he is capable of. I think everyone is excited on some level. It's the big mystery behind door number two. But that's just the thing. It's a huge unknown. This is probably the classic look into the football mindset on display. In general, the people in the league seem to place a lot of weight on lesser known commodities compared to those they know more about. Just look at how draft obsessed they all are. Pro Bowl players get traded for picks in the middle of the draft even though the odds are probably high that the team won't get that caliber of a player in the FIRST round. But I digress. It's a funny situation to be in, seeing as we Viking fans have been arguing with all of you how much Favre's skills have been declining in recent years, but let's take an honest look at the Rodgers v. Favre comparison. Scott, you said, "If he can avoid injury..." That's a pretty big "if" isn't it? How many times has he been injured so far? And how serious of injuries? But, as a starter, he's an unknown commodity, which is like gold in the NFL, so let's just assume he'll be mostly healthy, because that makes the most sense right? Favre on the other hand currently has a consecutive starts streak that began when Aaron Rodgers was in elementary school. "I think the short time we saw him against the Cowboys could be an indication of what he is capable of." I'm not picking on you Scott. This statment isn't really outrageous, and I'd feel this way too. But what was that, about 3 quarters of football approximately? A little less? How many qbs have come in and had a good 2 or 3 quarters? Some are good and some aren't. I'm not bringing this up because I think Rodgers will be bad. But I don't know if he'll be good either. Or somewhere in between. That IS my point. Favre on the other hand, has had a pretty big audition for the job already. Even if his skills have diminished, he still might be better than Rodgers. And if Favre sucks too much, there Rodgers is as a backup. ("Hey Favre, we gave you your shot that you wanted so badly, now we're going with Aaron.") With the current plan, if Rodgers is no good, or gets hurt, it's Brian Brohm time. Of course maybe that's what the Packers want anyway. The only thing more appealing than an unproven player is two unproven players. Also, this might be nitpicking, but one of the ESPN guys was dissecting that Cowboys game and noted how Rodgers stared at his receivers for too long on a lot of his passes and won't be able to get away with that kind of thing against every defense. So even that little bit we have to extrapolate on might be misleading. Granted, the Packers have had a lot of looks at Rodgers in practice, but even if they think he'll be awesome, why push Favre away so actively? Teams obviously have to take risks and bet on the kid sometimes. Otherwise the next great players would only come in for injured guys or actual retirees and they'd waste time and talent. But teams should understand that they don't need to bet the house on the new guy. They don't have to throw in their pair of kings and assume the next two will be aces, just because they have the option. Because chances are they aren't aces. And there's a decent chance you won't even get one face card back so don't think you're gonna get a matching pair of them either. (About a 37.4 percent chance they're both 9s or lower, and that's not even factoring in that those two kings are out of play too. If you factor that into it, assuming you're playing with one deck, you have about a 40.5 percent chance of getting two cards that are both 9s or lower. None of this is particularly relevant to the Favre situation, but math is fun. I hope I did it correctly.)		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - No, I did not change your screen saver settings 08/03/2008 @ 08:20:08 AM
Jon Wrote - Today @ 06:00:03 AM I think everyone is excited on some level. It's the big mystery behind door number two. But that's just the thing. It's a huge unknown. This is probably the classic look into the football mindset on display. In general, the people in the league seem to place a lot of weight on lesser known commodities compared to those they know more about. Just look at how draft obsessed they all are. Pro Bowl players get traded for picks in the middle of the draft even though the odds are probably high that the team won't get that caliber of a player in the FIRST round. But I digress. You're still bitter about Moss being traded, aren't you.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - 6225 Posts 08/03/2008 @ 08:22:27 AM
I will say though that it is very strange but a bit refreshing to hear to resident Vikings fans seemingly making the case for Favre to come back. That kind of thing doesn't happen very often.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Carlos44ec - Tag This 08/03/2008 @ 02:56:54 PM
Burt Blyleven went on record with a comment saying that "they" should let Brett play- and that he'd be happy to have him play for the Vikes.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - Resident Tech Support 08/03/2008 @ 04:22:01 PM
Even Brewer's radio announcer Jim Powell chimes in on this in his blog. Powell is rather blunt and to the point, but his opinion does not seem too far fetched. Maybe a PR risk, but all in all in seems to make sense. Here is the excerpt from his blog: I must weigh in on Brett Favre's soap opera. To me the solution is simple: Bring Favre back and make him the primary back-up to Aaron Rodgers. Period. Green Bay has a championship-caliber team with zero experience at the all-important quarterback position. Rodgers may not prove to be brittle long-term, but we are all aware that he has missed more games as a back-up quarterback than Favre has missed as a starter in his long, illustrious career. There is no doubt that Favre has behaved badly through all this, but the Packers have to realize that the best option they have at this point is to let him return and hold their noses until the furor dies down. If Rodgers gets hurt or plays badly, Favre can come racing off the sideline to a standing ovation and give the Packers a chance to win much more so than either of the two rookies they just drafted. If Brett doesn't like being a back-up, who cares? He can go retire again. I can't fathom why the Packers have let this go on for so long. Just let him come back and take 20% of the practice reps and carry the clipboard. Trading him for a low draft pick (if they can even get that) or releasing him is ridiculous to consider. Begging him to stay retired is embarrassing. Favre has been reinstated by the Commissioner: Welcome him back to the roster and slot him at #2 on the depth chart.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	PackOne - At the Dollhouse in Ft. Lauderdale. 08/03/2008 @ 04:28:11 PM
http://blogs.jsonline.com/packers/archive/2008/08/03/negotiations-dead-favre-to-compete-for-starting-job.aspx He is back, and it's an open competition.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Matt - Ombudsman 08/03/2008 @ 04:30:00 PM
I was just about to post that. Of course, how "open" it really is remains to be seen.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
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	PackOne - 1528 Posts 08/03/2008 @ 04:32:02 PM
They are talking 50/50 starting Monday. Rodgers and Favre.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	PackOne - Push the little daisy's and make em come up. 08/03/2008 @ 04:34:36 PM
Of course, that is unrealistic because Favre will have to take the run test and physical, blah blah blah first, so it's several days before he takes a snap.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	PackOne - The girls all know he's "way cool" Jr. 08/03/2008 @ 04:43:43 PM
Just so Sarah knows, I have my turd finger ready.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 2 times.

	jthompto 08/03/2008 @ 07:28:28 PM
This is crazy. An open QB competition, the Packers have been saying all along that Aaron Rodgers is the starter, they haven't budged at all from that. Now they have changed their mind and it is an open competition. How open will it be, or will they look for any excuse to proclaim Rodgers the starter over "the Favre". Maybe by making Brett believe he lost a preseason QB compettion, it will force him to retire for good. Maybe they would rather go through this sort of media circus at training camp, rather than trade him to the Vikes. Maybe they are just done fighting and are going to give in and let Brett start. Who knows. Honestly, why not trade him to Minnesota, give the Vikings the media circus and go into week 1 knowing the opposing QBs weekenesses. If Favre does go to Minnesota, will they have an "open competition" between Jackson and Favre?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Alex - 3619 Posts 08/03/2008 @ 08:44:18 PM
Well, Favre changed his mind about retiring so I guess the Packers can change their mind about going with Rodgers as the starter. Really, an open competition was the most logical resolution from the start. It really is mind bottling that it took this long to get here, unless they thought the competition would be more fair if Rodgers got more practice time with the first team. One other possible conclusion is that the Packers made it difficult for Favre just to make sure that he was actually serious.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - On your mark...get set...Terrible! 08/03/2008 @ 08:57:35 PM
Alex Wrote - Today @ 09:44:18 PM ...mind bottling... really? You sure that was the word you wanted to use?		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 2 times.

	frozentundrafan - 21 Posts 08/04/2008 @ 08:55:14 AM
Does everyone have their peanuts and popcorn? The circus is in Green Bay.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Wendy 08/04/2008 @ 12:16:20 PM
I feel like this open competition should have some montage music. This is turning into a bad 80s sports movie.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Carlos44ec - You had me at "Hello" 08/04/2008 @ 12:40:10 PM
Europe- The Final Countdown		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jon - 3443 Posts 08/05/2008 @ 01:09:23 AM
Wendy Wrote - Yesterday @ 12:16:20 PM I feel like this open competition should have some montage music. This is turning into a bad 80s sports movie. The audio and video don't sync up so it's better to just listen to this and look away or close your eyes.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
Jon screwed with this at 08/05/2008 1:10:20 am

	PackOne - 1528 Posts 08/05/2008 @ 03:02:58 AM
With the presser cancelled tonight, and the meeting ending with no resolution between Favre and MM, I think that a competition may be a pipe dream for now. Go Nutcan.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	frozentundrafan 08/05/2008 @ 09:12:47 AM
Fox Sports is now reporting there won't be an open competition and that Rodgers is the starter. Look for Favre to be traded. But of course, how often has this saga taken its twists and turns.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	PackOne - Don't mess with Jeremy. He owns your tag lines. 08/05/2008 @ 03:51:34 PM
I'm going to guess Favre is done, by the looks of this. Four-thirty presser at packers.com http://video.ap.org/v/Legacy.aspx?g=1c7e16a2-166e-414b-9dbd-8358b3dddf19&f=wimil&mk=en-ap&fg=copy&partner=en-ap		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Scott - No, I did not change your screen saver settings 08/05/2008 @ 08:52:52 PM
Favre heard I moved to Tampa and had to come down to play where his biggest fan lives. Take that Sarah. The Favre story was the top story on the 10:00 news here in Tampa.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
Scott edited this at 08/05/2008 9:03:50 pm

	Sarah - So's your face 08/06/2008 @ 10:59:17 PM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/football/nfl/specials/preview/2008/08/06/favre.tracker/index.html Is Favre a Jet?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	PackOne - Make my own decisions. That's my perogative. 08/06/2008 @ 11:03:07 PM
Favre is a JET. http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/8381934/Favre-out:-Packers-trade-legend-to-Jets		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	PackOne - Make my own decisions. That's my perogative. 08/06/2008 @ 11:05:03 PM
Thank the almighty lord above.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - How do you use these things? 08/06/2008 @ 11:13:11 PM
I can't believe this		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - So's your face 08/06/2008 @ 11:18:20 PM
Jets play a pregame tomorrow. Maybe it'll be on national TV now?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4671 Posts 08/06/2008 @ 11:20:42 PM
http://www.newyorkjets.com/game/schedule/ except for playing the Patriots, I think Favre has an easy schedule I'm predicting 13-3		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
Sarah edited this at 08/06/2008 11:28:18 pm

	craig - 132 Posts 08/06/2008 @ 11:21:45 PM
Anyone paying any attention to this long-running saga would have seen that this is exactly what The Favre wanted all along. It's the least the Packers could do after all his years of -- wait a second. The Jets?		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	Jeremy - Cube Phenomenoligist 08/06/2008 @ 11:28:24 PM
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	PackOne - The Harvard comma's #1 fan. 08/06/2008 @ 11:30:42 PM
Better than the alternative I guess. http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/26190/favre.jpg		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
PackOne perfected this at 08/06/2008 11:33:09 pm

	Sarah - 4671 Posts 08/06/2008 @ 11:32:48 PM
That's awful.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	PackOne - 1528 Posts 08/06/2008 @ 11:34:13 PM
I don't know it wouldn't load here. Probably a good thing.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	craig - This is Anfield 08/06/2008 @ 11:35:05 PM
Yes, I'd say it is.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - So's your face 08/06/2008 @ 11:35:17 PM
What if Brett retires instead of going to the Jets? That would be great. I don't want to see him in New York, the anti Green Bay.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - How do you use these things? 08/06/2008 @ 11:38:20 PM
2nd week of the season, we get to see Brett in Green.... and white. He's gonna get crushed against the Patriots. This sux. I should go to bed now and maybe when I wake up it will be the way it was last year.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
Sarah messed with this at 08/06/2008 11:41:53 pm

	Jeremy - 9543 Posts 08/06/2008 @ 11:42:19 PM
So on top of everything else reportedly Brett didn't want the team to accept the Jet's offer because he wanted to at least be a Buc, but the Packers pulled the trigger on the Jets deal anyway. I hear Ted Thompson also backed over the Favre family cat, just out of spite.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	craig - 132 Posts 08/06/2008 @ 11:44:03 PM
Sarah Wrote - Today @ 11:35:17 PM What if Brett retires instead of going to the Jets? That would be great. I don't want to see him in New York, the anti Green Bay. I thought the Vikings were the anti-GB? But really the Jets? I could see Favre retiring half way though the season playing for them. He has no idea how good he's got it here in Wisconsin where there's virtually no press, and he could get away with (almost) anything, even calling press conferences about his next round of golf, when everyone wanted to know if was/wasn't retiring. The NY press isn't going to be so forgiving. Get ready Brett, it's going to be short honeymoon. They love you now. Throw 6 interceptions in a game and see how they much the like you.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
craig screwed with this at 08/06/2008 11:48:08 pm

	Sarah - 4671 Posts 08/06/2008 @ 11:49:26 PM
craig Wrote - Today @ 11:44:03 PM Sarah Wrote - Today @ 11:35:17 PM What if Brett retires instead of going to the Jets? That would be great. I don't want to see him in New York, the anti Green Bay. I thought the Vikings were the anti-GB? But really the Jets? I meant the cities are opposite. Bright lights of New York vs. the small NFL town of Green Bay. Jets fans are jackasses. While Packer fans are stupid, at least we loved him through thick and thin.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	craig - 14499 Posts 08/06/2008 @ 11:52:09 PM
Sarah Wrote - Today @ 11:49:26 PM I meant the cities are opposite. Bright lights of New York vs. the small NFL town of Green Bay. Jets fans are jackasses. While Packer fans are stupid, at least we loved him through thick and thin. Fair enough. It will be an interesting year for him anyway. It's official by the way: http://packers.com/news/releases/2008/08/06/2/ Anyone think he might want to revisit that $20 million dollar stay-retired contract the Packers were offering?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - So's your face 08/06/2008 @ 11:52:17 PM
Favre to Bubba 1st week.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - Pie Racist 08/06/2008 @ 11:56:43 PM
I love how they worded their official announcement as if the recent exchanges went something like: Ted Thompson: Pleeeeeeeeeeeease come back Brett, we need you so badly. Favre: No, suck it, I'll never be a Packer again!		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	craig - Get up! Get up! Get out of here! Gone! For Robbie Deer. 08/07/2008 @ 12:28:30 AM
Jeremy Wrote - Yesterday @ 11:56:43 PM I love how they worded their official announcement as if the recent exchanges went something like: Ted Thompson: Pleeeeeeeeeeeease come back Brett, we need you so badly. Favre: No, suck it, I'll never be a Packer again! No, you've got it all wrong. What he said was "No, suck it, I'll never be a Packer again. Until I retire again (and maybe one time after that), then we can talk about that $20 million promotion/advertising contract again."		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
craig edited this at 08/07/2008 12:29:04 am

	Jon - 3443 Posts 08/07/2008 @ 06:49:59 AM
Sarah Wrote - Yesterday @ 11:38:20 PM I should go to bed now and maybe when I wake up it will be the way it was last year. When we got back from BWW tuesday night the report was that Favre was very likely going to be traded to Tampa. It was like it was almost official. I actually almost posted that on here with the comment that the announcement almost certainly means he won't end up on the Buccaneers since every time this story zigs, it zags right back again. And it did. At least for now. Side note: By the time Mike and Mike rolled around, guys like Jay Glazer and (some other guy I think) were already talking down the whole Tampa thing. craig Wrote - Yesterday @ 11:44:03 PM He has no idea how good he's got it here in Wisconsin where there's virtually no press, and he could get away with (almost) anything...The NY press isn't going to be so forgiving. Get ready Brett, it's going to be short honeymoon. They love you now. Throw 6 interceptions in a game and see how they much the like you. I didn't really spend much time thinking on this topic in the few hours that this has been news, but it's a good point. The Green Bay area press does spend a buttload of time and energy on Packers stories, so I think in a per capita sense there's probably more media coverage here, but the sheer volume of NY media plus the completely different tone they will probably take will be a change. Does anyone remember when Randy Johnson became a Yankee? He was in town for like a day before he and the media had a dust up, and I'm not sure he was ever comfortable there. Not to mention the fan base has no loyalty to Favre so he could hear hometown boos if he doesn't get off to a good start. I mean crap, Yankees fans booed Jeter a few years ago, and his gamerness is as close to Favre as any non-Favre athlete can get. Jeremy Wrote - Yesterday @ 11:56:43 PM I love how they worded their official announcement as if the recent exchanges went something like: Ted Thompson: Pleeeeeeeeeeeease come back Brett, we need you so badly. Favre: No, suck it, I'll never be a Packer again! Yeah, the Packers little PR machine has to be among the most annoying things about this whole story. In my mind they'd be better off just writing a sentence or two that says: "Brett Favre has been traded to the Jets. We loved having him here for so many years and wish him the best." Because really, everyone knows they didn't want him back and we've heard their supposed reasoning why. No one needs to hear them pretending like they weren't actively pushing him away. And no one needs to hear them trying to sound like trading Brett Favre is nearly as tough for them as it is for the fans. Luckily, I ran the press release through some sort of spectrometer that makes it possible to, almost literally, read between the lines to understand what they actually meant. Take a look at the last paragraph. "We appreciate the tremendous passion shown by our fans. (and by "appreciate," we mean that we have an academic understanding that our fans have some sort of fondness of Brett Favre. Though, this fact doesn't really matter to us. We hope that by telling them that we appreciate this "passion," they will not use this "passion" to voice how much they disagree with us or to make us look bad in any way. Also, did you notice how we called them "our fans" instead of "Packer fans"? That was a freudian slip.) We, like them, always will see Brett Favre as a Green Bay Packer (except for this year when we will see him as a Jet. "Always" is such a relative idea.) and our respect for him never will change. (Just don't ask us how much we actually respect him. That's a different story. But we do promise it will never change.) Moving forward, we are dedicated to delivering a successful 2008 season for all Packers fans (seriously. But only starting right now. Because up until now, making the team better wasn't in our job description, right? I mean, we traded away our best shot at ACTUALLY delivering a successful 2008 season, so clearly that wasn't our goal as recently as 24 hours ago. But only because up until now, the whole successful season thing was secondary to keeping Brett off our team for some reason that is buried so deep in our minds that even the latest truth spectrometer cannot detect it. But "moving forward," we're all about the success and whatnot. Come on, don't laugh, we're serious this time.)."		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
Jon edited this 6 times, last at 08/07/2008 7:07:05 am

	Jon - 1 bajillion posts 08/07/2008 @ 08:00:17 AM
Has everyone seen the reported details of the deal? If the reports are correct, it looks like the compensation for Favre is one draft pick and the pick is conditional on the percent of snaps Favre takes and how far the Jets get this season. You can read the details yourself, but here's the short rundown. Starts as 4th rounder but, 50% snaps taken -- it becomes 3rd rounder 70% AND Jets make playoffs -- it becomes 2nd rounder 80% AND Jets make Super Bowl -- it's a 1st rounder so basically it's a likely 3rd rounder with a chance of being a 2nd and an outside shot of being a 1st. Good for the Packers that they are getting a little compensation if it works well for the Jets. Of course, what they should have tried to get was a conditional pick based on how poorly they do without Favre, since that's the real "cost" of the whole transaction. But I doubt the Jets would've gone for that and I don't know if it's even within the rules. It's fun to think about though. But enough of all that, the most important part is this: "The NFL Network also is reporting that the Packers took great pains to ensure that Favre would not be traded to the Vikings by inserting a "poison pill" in the deal. If Favre were to be traded to Minnesota, New York would have to surrender three first-round picks to Green Bay." (source http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp08/news/story?id=3522971) I'd like to see the actual wording, because Matt brought up how it might leave open the possibility of a trade to another team who would trade to the Vikings (you know, just technically speaking, not that it would happen). But maybe they made sure that they get picks if anyone trades him to the Vikings. Personally, I almost hope they worded it ambiguously and they do some roundabout trade and the Packers sue and it goes all the way to the supreme court.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - 4671 Posts 08/07/2008 @ 08:00:54 AM
I wonder if it's too late to change the uniform on the Madden cover... You can already order your Favre Jet Jersey... and the website won't load for me, so I can only imagine how many people are buying one this second...		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
Sarah edited this at 08/07/2008 8:02:39 am

	Carlos44ec - 2079 Posts 08/07/2008 @ 09:07:43 AM
I bet you folks are selling them on ebay before they even get them from the factory. I noticed that this morning too.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - Robots don't say 'ye' 08/07/2008 @ 10:21:55 AM
I really don't like the whole poison pill phenomenon, and this is the second of them aimed at specifically the Vikings. (At least reportedly) Now, I know what you're thinking, "The Vikings started it." but let me tell you why it's not the same thing. The Vikings put into Steve Hutchinson's contract that he would have to be the highest paid offensive lineman on the team for a certain number of seasons. Having just signed Walter Jones to a huge contract the Seahawks could not match that offer. Obviously the Vikings knew that, HOWEVER, basing payment off what those around you get is a perfectly reasonable, every day occurrence, in the sports world. The Vikings also had to abide by the pill and risked losing (or paying huge money to) Bryant Mckinnie because they would have to wait another year or two (of him playing next to the best guard in the league) before they could lock him down. The Seahawks responded by offering Nate Burleson a deal that for all intents and purposes said "this contract pays you x amount, unless you're a Viking, in which case you get $3294320949203490324343290 an hour" It's really totally different. Now there's this, though it might be that they can't retrade him period, which really, everyone knows the intent of. Is it poetic that perhaps the soon to be available Chad Pennington would make a decent veteran backup, which the Packers are now sorely missing?		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
Jeremy screwed with this at 08/07/2008 10:23:51 am

	Alex - 3619 Posts 08/07/2008 @ 12:56:10 PM
Pennington sucks and I hate the Madden curse. I realized that my first thought was, "This is an awesome trade for the Jets." which can only mean its probably not good for the Packers. The PR machine had me on the fence for a while, but honestly, who the hell trades Brett Favre!? Especially after he made it all the way back to camp from retirement.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9543 Posts 08/07/2008 @ 01:22:50 PM
I just watched the press conference at Lambeau. One of the reporters there wasn't being very journalistic, he sounded like he was going to jump the table and beat McCarthy, Thompson, and Murphey to death. For their sake, Rodgers better play for 17 years and win 4 MVP's and 2 Superbowls. There's really no unlinking them from the people that pushed away, then ultimately traded, Brett Favre.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - So's your face 08/07/2008 @ 07:25:25 PM
Kellen Clemens is 4/4 for 31 yards so far.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - Broadcast in stunning 1080i 08/07/2008 @ 07:36:09 PM
I hear they're going to have an open competition for the starting job.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - How do you use these things? 08/07/2008 @ 07:42:35 PM
There's a game delay, fans must've rushed the field to get to Favre.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	jthompto 08/07/2008 @ 08:31:16 PM
Jeremy Wrote - 12/31/1969 @ 06:00:00 PM I just watched the press conference at Lambeau. One of the reporters there wasn't being very journalistic, he sounded like he was going to jump the table and beat McCarthy, Thompson, and Murphey to death. For their sake, Rodgers better play for 17 years and win 4 MVP's and 2 Superbowls. There's really no unlinking them from the people that pushed away, then ultimately traded, Brett Favre. They got what they wanted and Favre is out of the confrence, but at what cost? I doubt that Favre will have his number retired at Lambeau and time soon. He may even decide to go into the hall of fame as a "Jet". Im sure that little poison pill was Ted Thompson's idea. From what I have heard though, the Vikings were never really interested in Favre and intent on going with Jackson all along. The Vikings still benefit because Favre is still out of Green Bay and their biggest rival is worn out over this. I think the Packers will struggle in this first "post Favre" year and the front office and Rodgers will receive a lot of greif for it. The Jets will improve, but with so many good teams in the AFC its hard to see them making the playoffs, considering it will have to be as a wild card with the Patriots in their divsion. The trade is good for both sides considering the situation. It will either be a mid to high 3rd rounder or a low second rounder. Not bad for a 38 year old QB. ( Randy Moss was traded for a 4th rounder) Im sure the Packers will be allright in the long run, it will be interesting to see how the fans react to this, especially if Aaron Rodgers struggles this year and the Packers are mediocre again.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Jeremy - 9543 Posts 08/07/2008 @ 09:00:48 PM
The Packers will retire Brett's number someday. You don't "go in" to the NFL HOF as anything. I think this is really a good example of something that either stems off of Jon's "Potential" theory or is the cause of it. That is, the fact that you get so used to something not being a concern that after a while you start to think of that thing as a non factor, without realizing WHY it was a non factor. The Packers got so used to, and so spoiled by, having a pillar at the most important position that they think it's irrelevant. They stopped paying attention to the fact that there are a good 20 teams in the league that aren't so lucky, and have been searching for years for quarterbacks. Yeah, Aaron Rodgers might be good, but someone thought Alex Smith was better, and someone thought Ryan Leaf and Peyton Manning were a toss up once upon a time too. There are tons of quarterbacks in the league with potential, and many "next greatest things" before them that never panned out. The passing game was never a concern for the Vikings, so naturally they could afford to trade away their best WR and their QB. Shockingly that had a huge effect on their passing game. The Packers got so used to not worrying about quarterbacking, and are coming off of such a successful passing year, that they've convinced themselves the QB is interchangeable. Here's the other thing too. The ends don't justify the means. The Packers are still wrong in shipping out Favre both in theory, and certainly in the way they went about it, even if Aaron Rodgers goes on to be this year's MVP. They are hitting on 20, and even if they draw an ace, that doesn't mean the decision wasn't moronic.		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 2 times.
Jeremy edited this 2 times, last at 08/08/2008 1:17:04 am

	Jeremy - Cube Phenomenoligist 08/08/2008 @ 09:59:47 AM
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=781032 the Buccaneers’ offer consisted of Chris Simms, one of four veteran quarterbacks on their roster, and a fourth-round draft choice in 2010 that would be awarded only if Favre also played in 2009 At which point I can only assume the Packer brass got very nervous, seeing as releasing Favre was actually worth more compensation. If Favre retires after one season and the compensation was in the third round, the Packers would have to give the Jets their seventh-round pick in 2010. If Favre retires after one season and the compensation was in the second round, the Packers would have to give the Jets their sixth-round pick in 2010. And if Favre retires after one season and the compensation was in the first round, the Packers would have to give the Jets a fifth-round pick in 2010. According to Schefter, the Jets would have to send three first-round picks to Green Bay if they were to trade him within the NFC North Division. The trade also includes provisions discouraging a scenario in which the Jets would send him to another team that in turn would deal him to an NFC North team. I wonder how legal this even is to do. On one hand, those were the terms the Packers signed over Favre's rights. On the other hand, it seems like the Jets could argue to the league that the Packers, having no claim to Favre at all anymore, have no right to essentially maintain a portion of his rights. If the Jets wanted to make a big enough stink over it I wouldn't be surprised if they could wiggle out of the "he's not a Packer, but we're still going to dictate what you can and can't do" aspect. What needs to happen now is the Vikings need to trade a 1st round pick to the Jets for someone they could use worth a 3rd-4th round pick with a "wink-wink" deal that Favre should just happen to find himself cut and on the open market in the morning.		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
Jeremy screwed with this at 08/08/2008 10:00:24 am

	Carlos44ec - "The tallest blade of grass is the first to be cut by the lawnmower." 08/08/2008 @ 10:15:25 AM
The trade is done, hearts are broken. Do we really need to keep on with the heart-rending converstaion?!		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.

	Sarah - How do you use these things? 08/11/2008 @ 07:48:02 PM
Go JJ and DD! Update: still miss Favre but love the Pack!		Rate this comment Yours: Total: Rated 1 times.

	PackOne - Don't mess with Jeremy. He owns your tag lines. 08/13/2008 @ 12:14:05 AM
If anyone actually listens to to the psuedo-ghetto cast, it has moved to nicer surroundings. http://packershome.com/index.php?name=ForumsPro&file=viewtopic&t=1078		Rate this comment Yours: Rated 0 times.
PackOne edited this at 08/13/2008 12:14:29 am