The star basketball player is accused of sexual assault, and the world is shocked. This decision could impact his whole life and yet he continues to play basketball, and no one denies him this. Is something familiar and wrong with this picture? Kobe Bryant, star player and endorser of goods raped a girl back in the summer of 2003. He could get life in prison, yet he still is the star of the Lakers, still has kids wearing his jerseys, and still gets praise for his playing abilities. Do I think this is right? No. It doesn't matter what the girl's previous medical history is. She has had to go into hiding and this whole thing is hurting her psyche. Yes, some people yell rape even when nothing occurred. That takes away from true victims. Victims do not like coming forward because they don't want to be ridiculed and shamed. It is not the victim's fault, and this needs to be pounded into people's heads so that justice is served.
We have our own Kobe Bryant right here in Wisconsin. That's right, get in line to watch this phenom dunk! Watch him evade his court case! This story hasn't been that big, it did have a couple stories in the Leader Telegram and an editorial in the Spectator. When I had first read the story about Hudson's star basketball center, (we decided to take his name out of the article), I was completely dumbfounded and mad as hell. His case, in which he will eventually plead guilty to two fourth degree sexual assault charges, has been pushed back yet again so that this outstanding citizen can continue his high school basketball career. His mother pleaded with the judge because if the case were brought to court now; he would be kicked off the basketball team and miss out on some college scholarships that he truly deserves. Here is part of the letter she wrote to persuade the judge to delay the case.
"In turn, this (case) will be discovered by college recruiters who will likely deny him entrance into their college and/or their athletic programs," the letter said.
This unnamed person would not receive any scholarships, and his ability to pursue something that he is successful at will be taken from him, his mother wrote.
"With a plea in January, we will be punishing [him] in an ongoing way that does not seem commensurate with the alleged crime. It is in everyone's best interest to help Waylon succeed and become a healthy, well-adjusted adult by allowing him to continue to do what he excels at," she wrote.
To paraphrase John Stossel of 20/20 fame, give me a f***ing break.
This kid has yet to be punished at all!! What is his mom talking about, and why doesn't she have a conscience? Obviously, when you are a parent you will try to protect your child in any way possible, but when they break the law, then maybe it's time to step back and reflect on where you went wrong. It is HER responsibility to make sure he is a "healthy, well-adjusted adult" not the rest of the world's. She failed, she's trying to cover it up, and she doesn't want to pay for his college tuition. Wow, do I feel sorry for these people.
Why should this 18 year old "man" be allowed to continue with his life when his victim can't? He passed up on those scholarships the moment he decided to assault his victim.
Are we supposed to feel sorry for this cocky basketball player because he broke the law? Um, no, last time I checked I believe the victim is suppose to get our pity. The victim, by the way, has had to switch schools. This kid is going to get a free ride to college because he can play basketball; yet he doesn't deserve a dime. I can't believe that the school is even allowing this. It's outrageous! Aren't our schools supposed to be about education? Why have sports become so important? Why do they supercede our justice system? Money. Games bring in money to the high schools, players get scholarships to the colleges, and colleges get money from the games. Is this right? Well, money makes the world go round, and there's nothing wrong with that, we live in a capitalist country and hey I'm all for that, but some things are more important than money. Criminals should not be allowed to have their cake and eat it too.
The incident happened when the victim was only 14 years old. He was charged with assaulting this girl back in December of 2002. Just a quick reminder, it's February of 2004!!!! This case has been delayed too long. I hope colleges and universities know what this kid's background is and they stay away.
Professional, college, and high school sports need to clean up their acts. We have OJ Simpson, baseball players being shot and killed, college basketball players getting shot and killed, Rae Carruth having his girlfriend and unborn child killed, THG testing, ephedrine deaths, etc. The list goes on and on.
Yes, we glamorize sports, we live and die with our favorite teams, we give players huge contracts, and some players treat it all like it's a free pass to do whatever they please, whether it's legal or not. We need a big crackdown on all the wrong things that go on in the big sports world, look at how it has affected high school sports.
Victims need closure to an awful period in their life; they should not be stuck in their own personal hell so the sports hero can lead his/her team to victory.
Let's start out small, let's get this high school kid off the court and into the court room.
-Sarah Brovan wishes the Packers were in the Super Bowl.
Liberty and Justice For All
02/01/2004
Jeremy - 9579 Posts 02/01/2004 @ 05:21:08 PM |
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When did Wisconsin basketball turn into Texas football? Who gives a crap about HIGH SCHOOL basketball? Innocent until proven guilty yes, but since he's actually going to plead guilty get it done with, he needs to face the music. The only thing we can hope for is that since college scholarships aren't automatic that colleges will take this into consideration anyway. The sad thing is we are talking about a 16 year old groping a 14 year old. Not some vicious statutory rape. Just get it over so the real victim gets some closure. |
Matt - Ombudsman 02/02/2004 @ 11:22:00 AM |
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I don't know much, if anything, about the Waylon Meyer case, so I won't comment on that at this time. I will, however, comment on your remarks about the Kobe Bryant situation. Unlike the court system, you don't have to presume him innocent (which you obviously don't). I prefer to wait until I hear the actual evidence before I decide his guilt. All I know at this time is that he confessed to committing adultery with someone he had just met. That, in my mind, is enough for me despise him as a person. I wish that would be enough for others to stop thinking of him as a saint, but unfortunately it's not. Regardless of how you feel about him, as of now, he hasn't been convicted of anything and as such, can work if he wants to. If he's found guilty, he'll end up paying, but until then, you can't punish him for something he may not have done. Again, I don't think much of Kobe Bryant, but that doesn't mean he should be punished before the outcome of his trial is decided. |
Matt - Washington Bureau Chief 02/02/2004 @ 11:25:59 AM |
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First, the murderer's name is spelled Rae Carruth. Secondly, (and grossly off topic) whats the deal with the picture column being twice the size of the actual article? |
Jeremy - Super Chocolate Bear 02/02/2004 @ 11:31:25 AM |
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The question isn't is Kobe guilty or not it's why when an athlete commits a crime is the trial always pushed off until the offseason? |
Sarah - 4691 Posts 02/02/2004 @ 12:46:18 PM |
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I wasn't really commenting on Kobe, just using him as an intro to my article, drawing comparisions and then talking about someone completely different. I was trying to be a creative writer. Yes, Kobe is innocent until proven guilty, but he just gets to go to court on his off days it seems. This Waylon kid is going to plead guilty, so I can call him guilty or whatever. Sorry about the typos, I will have to correct them at a later time. I guess another point I was trying to make is that even though Kobe may have committed a horrific crime, people still want to see and cheer him on the court. And in my mind, that's a little wrong. |
Jeremy - 9579 Posts 02/02/2004 @ 01:17:53 PM |
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I don't recall saying anything about the article. |
Scott - On your mark...get set...Terrible! 02/02/2004 @ 03:22:02 PM |
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In reality, professional athletes aren't doing anything that other people aren't doing as far as the crimes they commit. Lots of people get raped, and lots of people are sex offenders, and I'm sure too many people end up getting off with less than they deserve. I know that this isn't really what the article is about but it's probably worth stating. But that being said, obviously when a celebrity does something bad it is much more publicized than if Joe Criminal (yeah, that's right) does something bad. ps the law isn't there for those who follow it, but for those who don't follow. |
Jeremy - 9579 Posts 02/02/2004 @ 04:19:40 PM |
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Again the issue in this article, as I understand it, isn't so much the punishment itself, as it is that the athlete's don't ever have to go through the legal process until it is most convenient for them. |
Jon - many posts 02/03/2004 @ 05:52:22 AM |
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I know it's already been said, and I don't want to "pile on" but I do feel the need to say that none of us know if Kobe raped the girl and neither does the NBA. The NBA would probably get sued if they didn't let Kobe play until the case is settled. I know that's not the main point of the article, but it is worth being examined. |
Jeremy - 9579 Posts 02/03/2004 @ 06:57:55 PM |
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It isn't that the NBA did anything wrong. The issue is the legal process being put off. Damn people. |
Jon - Nutcan.com's kitten expert 02/03/2004 @ 07:55:49 PM |
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Well Jeremy, as Matt stated the Kobe Bryant case was not delayed because he was a star. In fact, he's missed playing because he's had to go to court. I understand the bulk of the article dealt with the Hudson kid, but that doesn't change the fact that it's a different case from the Kobe Bryant case. I agree with Sarah on the message of this article, I just think that the content regarding Kobe needed clarification. I knew a kid once who said something to the effect of, "Why don't people get it out of their heads that these aren't normal people." in regards to an athlete's trial conflicting with playing. |
Jeremy - Super Chocolate Bear 02/03/2004 @ 08:08:18 PM |
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Athletes are constantly having DUI's and other things put off. Of course they aren't normal people and that's just they way things are but, a high school player? We have to draw a line of who's going o get preffered treatment somewhere. |
Jon - 3479 Posts 02/04/2004 @ 07:26:49 PM |
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So equal justice unless the defendant is really good? |
Jeremy - Broadcast in stunning 1080i 02/04/2004 @ 09:48:28 PM |
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I was just agreeing with you. Obviously in a perfect world we'd all be equal, but we're not. There are classes of people, that's just how it is. Athletes are placed above everyone else, and yes are even in different "ranks" amoungst themselves based on how good they are. We're just setting a dangerous precident if we let high school athletes into the "I'm above the law" club. |
Scott - 6225 Posts 02/05/2004 @ 08:36:24 AM |
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Wisconsin's Boo Wade was not given the benefit of the doubt in his case. He was suspended before at the first sign of charges. Is Madison just classier and more disciplined than some places? |
Sarah - So's your face 02/05/2004 @ 08:41:09 AM |
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I think so. I read about "Boo" and saw that he was suspended immediately. This kid has been playing for two years on the basketball team, he's going to plead guilty when they go to court, and he still gets to play. Hudson=not so classy. And that's not just because I went to North. Show the world that it's not alright to commit a crime and go on with life. Show discipline, show some morals, show the victims that you care. Also, I liked the fact that Kobe was "sick" for his first court date this week, nice. Oh and to go along with Andrew said, "if you have enough money you can kill your wife, and there's no such thing as 20 years to life, as long as you've got the cash to pay the Cochrane." And that's the truth. |
Jon - 3479 Posts 02/05/2004 @ 12:38:21 PM |
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But Jeremy, when you said "Of course they aren't normal people and that's just they way things are but, a high school player? We have to draw a line of who's going o get preffered treatment somewhere" You seem to be indicating that the problem wasn't that someone got preferential treatment, but that a high school player got preferential treatment. Is that what you're trying to say, or am I reading that incorrectly? Should some people get preferential treatment? |
Scott - 6225 Posts 02/05/2004 @ 02:26:08 PM |
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Sounds like someone's quoting Good Charolette, specifically Sarah. But they make a good point. |
Jeremy - 9579 Posts 02/05/2004 @ 02:42:59 PM |
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I dont think they should, I just know they do. |
Jeremy - 9579 Posts 02/09/2004 @ 09:37:15 PM |
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What in her article about Waylon is even slightly controversial or not true that you could get angry about? Did the incident happen? Yes Is he planning to plead guilty? Yes Is the trial pushed off only so he can play basketball? Yes I dont see how you can argue with anything in the article except with the Kobe Bryant stuff. He might be a nice guy and there are much worse things happening in the world then a 16 year old groping a 14 year old but the fact still remains he should have to go through the legal process right now. Or for that matter should have done it 2 years ago. |
Jeremy - 9579 Posts 02/09/2004 @ 09:42:42 PM |
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If he was wrongfully accused why is he planning to plead guilty? |
Jeremy - 9579 Posts 02/09/2004 @ 10:10:52 PM |
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If you don't commit the crime you plea innocent. How does a person not have a choice? I was under the impression this was a democracy. Im not the one searching Google looking for stuff on my friend to bitch about, so I dont think youre in any position to judge my life. I care about it because high school athletes shouldnt get to skirt the law. If he is innocent then he should have gone though the process long ago, gotten it over with, and gone on with his basketball career. What does knowing him have anything to do with anything? |
Matt - Washington Bureau Chief 02/10/2004 @ 12:47:55 AM |
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Innocent people sometimes plead guilty to lesser crimes because they don't feel they will win the trial, and they don't want to take the risk of a harsher punishment. I don't know how often this happens, or if it is the case here, but it should at least be taken into consideration. |
Jeremy - 9579 Posts 02/10/2004 @ 01:16:33 PM |
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People shouldn't do that though. If you aren't guilty then fight for yourself. By the way, did you note that not one time in his mom's letter to the judge did she say that he didn't do it. She just thought the punishment didn't fit the crime. |
Matt - Washington Bureau Chief 02/10/2004 @ 02:12:49 PM |
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Sometimes people get convicted of crimes they didn't commit. If an innocent person decides to take 1 year in prison instead of possibly 20 or take probation instead of any jail time, I'm not going to say they shouldn't do that. In a perfect world this would never happen and all guilty people would go to jail and all innocent people would never be charged, but it's not perfect and if someone doesn't want to risk trial, it's their choice. Again, I'm not saying that this is what's happing in this case. You just seem to be dismissing the choice of anybody who might choose to plead to something they didnt do, which I don't think is right. |
Jeremy - 9579 Posts 02/10/2004 @ 03:05:09 PM |
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I understand the rational behind that thinking and what you are saying, I just don't think it's right for innocent people to just give in like that. |
Sarah - 4691 Posts 02/13/2004 @ 02:01:34 PM |
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Wow, Hudson finally took charge and suspended Meyer. My hats off to them for doing the right thing. He should've been suspended back in January after they moved back his court trial, but this still makes me happy. It somewhat shows that there is no tolerance for law breakers. Although he plans to appeal the suspension, I hope that Hudson sticks to their guns. With enough pressure from the public, perhaps justice will prevail. |
Jeremy - 9579 Posts 02/16/2004 @ 11:30:47 AM |
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What has gone on and who has done what to whom isn't really the point, the fact is it should have been taken care of already. Personally I have nothing against him. He could be innocent, but since he plans on pleading guilty that's a moot point. The outrage surrounding this case isn't about the crime itself as it is that it's being delayed to play basketball. The father wouldn't be still dragging his daughter through the legal processes if this was over and done with. It was nice to get some inside info on the situation. Thanks for visiting. |
Sarah - So's your face 02/19/2004 @ 08:00:04 PM |
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So, they moved up the trial and badda bing badda boom, it's over like that. That's what suspension from basketball will get ya. A quick and speedy process when everyone agrees to it. Now obviously, I don't personally know the parties and all of the going ons that happened before and after the occurences. But, if her dad decided against pressing charges when the couple were married, and then decided to press charges after they were divorced, well then that's his perogative. It's not like he went over the statute of limitations. If he did it because they were fighting for custody of the 6 year old, well then this is a way to prove that the child may not be safe living with the mom and waylon. I read in an article that letters were read commending waylon on his improved behavior. That's great that he is becoming a better person, but the fact remains they were talking about his improved behavior. You can't commit a crime and then become a good person and then get upset when people want to press charges for the crime. Strive to be a better person, face up to your past, and continue going on the right path. It's never too late to change, and I'm glad to hear that Waylon seems to be heading in that direction. Stick to it. |
Jeremy - No one's gay for Moleman 04/19/2004 @ 06:09:30 PM |
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1) Learn to type in english 2) The only thing she said about him as a person was that he was cocky (which was the concensous of pretty much everyone who played against him, so take it up with them.) Her outrage was that a legal proceeding was being delayed for basketball, thats it, it's that simple, I dont see what there is to be upset with. You don't have to know the person to know that putting sports ahead of the law is wrong. Get over it already. |
Jeremy - 9579 Posts 04/19/2004 @ 06:10:56 PM |
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ps A plea agreement is admiting guilt for a lesser charge, so you have no point there. |
Sarah - So's your face 04/19/2004 @ 06:32:14 PM |
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Ok.... so we're back on this subject. If people bother to read the comments to my article, everyone will see we had intelligent discussions on the subject. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and I simply gave mine. Does everyone in America personally know Kobe Bryant? No, and yet I think we all have an opinion about his guilt/innocence. The fact remains though that as soon as basketball was taken out of the picture, the case was quickly resolved. People have commended Waylon on him improved behavior, which is nice, but a lot of people don't do bad things to begin with. Let's all strive to be good people, shall we? P.S. If you have anything you would like to discuss with the Page 3 writers, please email us at page_3_news@yahoo.com and refrain from calling us at home. |
Jeremy - 9579 Posts 04/19/2004 @ 06:46:16 PM |
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This page is all of ours, who happened to write the article is not important, if you take the time to read what you are complaining about you would see many people have had input on the issue. |
Anon. Nut Can Fan (Guest) 04/19/2004 @ 06:48:42 PM |
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I dont care whos page this is. If its not removed you all then will be facing consecuences! I dont care who you are. Or what you are. Just do it! |
Jeremy - 9579 Posts 04/19/2004 @ 06:49:41 PM |
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Your name has been used multiple times in the paper. Also since you just used your name yourself on the page I doubt you'ld have much of a case. It's called freedom of speech. She didn't say much if anything about you personally so even if you proceeded you wouldn't have a case for libel...but nice try. |
Jeremy - Pie Racist 04/19/2004 @ 07:18:15 PM |
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It was dropped until your mom called Sarah and your girlfriend posted here. This was just one of many outdated articles that no one reads anymore on here. You can't make us take this down anymore than you can make the Leader Telegram delete any mention of you in articles or opinion sections from thier archives. Dude, honestly, there are like 7 billion things worse than what happened, and we have been told by your uncle about the situation and, honestly, I'm on your side. I think you and the girl were used as pawns and got royally screwed in all of this. Our only gripe was that we didn't like putting sports before court. There isn't anything here that isn't on 50 other places, other than we got some inside info, and are better for it. If you are afraid people will read this and not get your side then write up your side so it will be on here. I'll even make it part of the actual article. But since nothing was false (other than the stuff about kobe) it's not fair to take it down. |
Bret - Haha Jeremy I'm going to try and break your website with a buffer overflow comment. Oh shoot I don't know what else to type... 04/19/2004 @ 09:22:25 PM |
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This message is to waylan - its pretty weak having your mom call someone personally at home. Granted I would be upset if people were talking about my life on some webpage, however, posting on their blog to take it down or you're gonna get sued and getting your mommy to call someone AT THEIR PERSONAL RESIDENCE is just plain RUDE and CHILDISH!! I suggest you brush up on your manners, and discipline, and leave your mother out of this. We all have a right to our own opinions, and I'm not afraid to speak mine. |
Bret - Haha Jeremy I'm going to try and break your website with a buffer overflow comment. Oh shoot I don't know what else to type... 04/19/2004 @ 09:47:26 PM |
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Now on the flipside of the issue, I feel bad for you. (waylan) I know what kinds of pressures there were in high school (not to your extreme of course), and it must suck. So I hope you do resolve your court issues and are able to still make a run for going to college and getting a good degree. (And playing sports too!) The media can be a sick and twisted machine!! |
Jeremy - 9579 Posts 04/19/2004 @ 09:53:43 PM |
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Most of the things in the article were taken right out of the paper. (For example, at the time he was expected to plead guilty, according to the paper.) What I don't understand is why you would want this taken down. First off it's just a 2 bit website, less than 100 people have even been to the article. The only reason I'm making any fuss at all is because I feel compelled to stick up for our rights. To be honest if Waylon had just asked if this could be taken down it wouldn't have been a big deal. Calling us at home and threatning us on the website is not cool and that's why it's not coming down. Secondly unlike the newspaper articles which are read by hundreds and can print stuff without rebuttles or the opinion section of the paper which people can blast other people without rebuttle this page is covered in people defending Waylon. Unlike 50 other pages this website serves as the only place where "the other side of the story" is actually told right along side of the article. If anything you should insist that anyone who heard about the case before comes here to read this. |
Jeremy - 9579 Posts 04/19/2004 @ 09:57:43 PM |
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PS You do NOT have permission to call any of us. Please keep anything pertaining to the website on the website. If your mom wants to talk to us she can post on here or email the site, Sarah, or I. |
Jeremy - Broadcast in stunning 1080i 04/20/2004 @ 11:19:32 AM |
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First off the English Department in Hudson needs some serious revamping. Secondly, the person saying you were childish is someone not even affiliated with the website. Thirdly, this was written forever ago, stop acting like she wrote it yesterday. Fourth, no I wouldn't like people talking about me, but I haven't done anything wrong to warrent discussion about me. Fifth, no contest is pleading guilty. It's marked officially as "guily / no contest." I can provide a link directly to the public court records if you want. Lastly, how about you all stop saying "I know the facts" and actually state them. This is an open forum for you all to say anything you want. So stop defending him with swearing and start defending him with these "facts" that you know. |
Jeremy - No one's gay for Moleman 04/20/2004 @ 12:23:06 PM |
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By the way - Do you have any idea how stupid this concept of "you have no right to an opinion on someone unless you know them personally" is? Are you telling me that every person you dislike you know them personally? In November americans are going to go decide who gets to be, for all intents and purposes, the most important person on the planet. Most of those people will never have seen the candidates in person, let alone met, and certainly don't know them on a personal level. Are you telling me that no one has a right to form and opinion on Kerry or Bush unless they know them personally? Cause I don't think there would be much of a turnout if that was the case. |
Chadwick (Guest) 04/20/2004 @ 12:42:18 PM |
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Good luck on these as well: http://www.rivertowns.net/daily/hso/c040211/ http://www.spectatornews.com/news/2004/01/29/Editorialopinion/Strange.Justice-591630.shtml http://www.jsonline.com/sports/prep/feb04/206821.asp |
Jeremy - 9579 Posts 04/20/2004 @ 02:09:13 PM |
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I didn't post those web sites, someone else did, read the names next time. There's a difference between spelling errors and something being virtually unreadable. We weren't talking about the issue until you guys came here. Like I said before, this page is all of ours, so I have just as much right to defend the page as anyone, it doesn't matter who wrote it. You don't need permission to write about people. Calling them is a whole different ball game. I was simply warning that these calls were unsolicited and not wanted. While I agree the president is stupid I think what you meant to say was that my analogy about the presidents was stupid. Not everyone votes democratic or republican based strictly on what party they belong to. So not only do you have no point there but you failed to comment on the bigger picture of what I meant with the analogy, which was that you don't need to know people to have an opinion about them. In fact, if anything you proved my point because you implied that it is ok to form an opinion about how a person thinks or acts knowing nothing about them except their political party. |
Sarah - 4691 Posts 04/20/2004 @ 02:38:55 PM |
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Ok, wow this is the most readership we've had in awhile. Too bad it's on something that's almost 3 months old. And I thought my most controversial article was the football vs. baseball one. I wrote this article because I had read many other articles about the situation. I was outraged that someone who played a sport was getting his court date set back so he could finish the season and therefore get college scholarships. How is that fair to anyone else? The justice system should be fair. If you do something wrong, you shouldn't receive special priviliges because you play sports. And yet we see it happen time and time again. Especially with professional sports, and I was mad that it had gone down to the HIGH SCHOOL level. In a way, this was just a letter to the Voice of the People, only it was on my own website. Had I written to Voice of the People 1000's would have seen it and you wouldn't have a chance at a rebuttle. Some of the responses to it have been intelligent and thought provoking. I don't know if any of it has changed my mind, but I got to hear other people's opinions about the subject. For those who just choose to harass, well I suppose that's your own business. It's not very constructive and doesn't help your point(s). It's a lot easier to catch flies with honey than with vinegar and it's a shame no one tried that. |
Jeremy - The pig says "My wife is a slut?" 04/20/2004 @ 07:36:48 PM |
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He used his name...twice...we took the picture of him down, be happy with that. |
Jeremy - Always thinking of, but never about, the children. 04/20/2004 @ 07:44:26 PM |
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We can discuss it for the same reason people can give their opinions on the war or anything else. It was in the news and she just chose to write about it, I don't understand why this is so wrong while the same type of thing is in every paper in the state. In fact I read the Spectator article that chadwick left the link to above and it's basicly the same article, which gets read by the entire campus. |
Jeremy - The pig says "My wife is a slut?" 04/20/2004 @ 07:52:42 PM |
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There, any reference to his name is not used in the article. Happy? |
icbizzle - 3619 Posts 04/20/2004 @ 07:59:20 PM |
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I would just like to say that using someone's name on a website is the same as using it on radio, on TV, in a newspaper, or even just plain saying it out loud. George W. Bush, oh no I said the President's name. The Secret Service is going to call my parents now and sue me. This whole thing has been blown way out of proportion. Go Bucks! |
Jeremy - 9579 Posts 04/20/2004 @ 09:01:18 PM |
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"And if you say something like he needs to pay for what he did.. and take his part well guess what news flash to everyone on this site." - What the hell does that even mean? His mom never argued that it didn't happen, just that the punishment didn't fit the crime, put 2 and 2 together. (The answer is 4 by the way, I'm not sure if you skipped math class while you were skipping english). Likewise his uncle said it happened, "Sadly, these are kids being kids, all a part of the growing up process. There was not rape or anything violent." So we don't know anything over here in tiny Eau Claire, but in the booming metropolis of Hudson you know how things work? |
Anon. Nut Can Fan (Guest) 04/20/2004 @ 09:15:11 PM |
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im not from Hudosn idiot!! |
Jeremy - 9579 Posts 04/20/2004 @ 09:33:05 PM |
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I never accused you of being from Hudosn. We were all "bugging" out. No one had posted on this for 2 months. It was a closed issue until his friends reopened it. OK, hear me loud and clear. There are MANY sites where people can get information on the case. This is the one and only place on earth with the other side of the story on it. Why would you want this taken down so that all that is left is one sided newspaper reports and such? |
Scott - 6225 Posts 04/20/2004 @ 09:36:02 PM |
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I am a regular reader of this website, and I would like to add my 2 cents in defense of this article and those involved. I do not know the high schooler mentioned in the article, so I cannot say anything about him specifically. But what I can say, and what I think Sarah was trying get across, is that the legal system is flawed. The example used about a Hudson basketball player was simply a variable in an equation that doesn't add up. The example of a LA Lakers basketball player was the same thing. The goal of this article was not to slander anyone or to rip someone down, the main objective (what I saw anyway) was to point out how screwed up the legal system can be, in that there are instances where people are getting special treatment in regards to the law, and both cases mentioned happen to be involved in sports. That point, however, is getting lost in the fog of emotion as those who knew the Hudson player personally saw it as nothing more than muckraking. As touchy of a subject as this was, the point of the article was not to condemn any person, but to point a finger at the legal system, which in both cases gave exceptions to people in closely parallel situations. |
Jeremy - Cube Phenomenoligist 04/20/2004 @ 10:27:15 PM |
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If if fact your intentions are to point out that sports figures get breaks tell us something we don't know. Is it sports figures, or, simply people with large sums of money. This was the whole point of her outrage. It's bad enough for rich professional athletes to have legal matters worked into thier earliest convenience. To start giving High School players this luxury was enfuriating to her. Example: Some years ago my father got crushed to death when his farm tractor tipped over on him. The Newspaper also printed that my father had an OUI some years prior within the same article in which it wrote about his death. I felt that pain and lack of respect for a man who had just gotten crushed to death. Point being... authors ought to consider the true power of their words on others. I'm sorry to hear about that, but this case wasn't something tragic with a needless tidbit thrown in. Both teenagers will out grow this and be huge successes. I hope so too. After all, this is "Old News". I agree, I've only been posting in response to others. |
Jeremy - Always thinking of, but never about, the children. 04/21/2004 @ 11:25:08 AM |
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So let me get this straight. You start talking trash. She responds to your comments and defends herself. Somehow in your warped little mind this makes her immature? Not to sound...oh I dunno...childish...but you started it. ps What does "I a question" mean? |
Becky (Guest) 04/21/2004 @ 06:57:38 PM |
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wow |
Jeremy - 1.21 Gigawatts!?!? 04/21/2004 @ 07:12:50 PM |
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Wow indeed, I would defend you except I'm not really even sure what that says. It's like they're having a competition to see who can make the most poorly written, hardest to decipher posts. A couple more days and they will just be posting things like "Kelsey Grammer, you shanked my jenga jam. Legitimate business" a few days after that they'll just post "dslkjflsdjlkdfgjhfdsghioweiurwenrenrmb wer sdkljhfoipe poe kfeoiur dslkheb" |
Scott - No, I did not change your screen saver settings 04/21/2004 @ 07:19:07 PM |
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Seriously, can high schoolers not say anything without adding swear words? Speak intelligently. "scared of your bout it ass now aren't we " what does this mean? And what's with the name-calling? Personally, I haven't really seen any "ripping" of any kind in the article, except on the legal system. |
Jeremy - 9579 Posts 04/22/2004 @ 01:02:47 PM |
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Why would we let a little snot nosed brat have the last word? hahahaha (I thought that was lame) I hardly think you're in any position to make fun of the people that run this page for visiting it often seeing as that last comment marked your 20th visit. 18 of them in the last few days. How come you didn't leave a comment when you were here Feb, 12th or Feb 23rd? Did you not care about Waylon then or did you just not feel like ripping on us? So to answer your question we don't sit by the computer waiting for comments. In college you spend most of your time on a computer and we have a very efficient way of seeing if anything is going on on the page. (Incidentally, do you know what a bookmark is? Or can't you remember the URL? You have to google it everytime?) |
Scott - Resident Tech Support 04/22/2004 @ 03:51:28 PM |
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I definitely visit this site a lot. I think my record high was something like 50,000 in one day (i think that was my computer being dumb though, according to the counter). Also, I work 4 hours a week in a photolab with very little to do but sit on a computer, so yes, I do spend a lot of time on a computer. ps MACs suck |
Jeremy - Robots don't say 'ye' 04/22/2004 @ 11:55:39 PM |
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Now that it's 5 minutes later I'll comment. Who has been talking about basketball? Were you talking about basketball when you typed "scared of your bout it ass now aren't we"? Because no one knows what that means, so I guess it could be about basketball. |
Carl (Guest) 04/23/2004 @ 12:33:11 AM |
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its like a trainwreck. i can't stop watching.... everyone shut up. that includes me. |
Jeremy - Always thinking of, but never about, the children. 04/23/2004 @ 12:36:27 AM |
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Well she did post that last comment from a different computer than the others. So maybe it was just who ever owns that other computer. |
Jeremy - No one's gay for Moleman 04/23/2004 @ 03:51:04 PM |
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What about Hudosn? |
Jeremy - I believe virtually everything I read. 04/24/2004 @ 09:59:37 PM |
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We make it a point to keep comments in tact and not delete anything, so for now we won't do anything with that last post. Just know that that post was not made by anyone affiliated with the website. P.S. LL, It's hard to take you seriously when you call someone stupid and then type " adntwo together (by the its 4) and realise".....OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOh, If you want it to be possessive, it's just "ITS." But, if it's supposed to be a contraction then it's "I-T-apostrophe-S," scalawag. |
Scott - Get Up! Get outta here! Gone! 04/27/2004 @ 05:51:23 PM |
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Wow, I guess this is done. |
Becky (Guest) 04/28/2004 @ 02:31:38 PM |
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wow... |
Scott - No, I did not change your screen saver settings 04/30/2004 @ 05:35:15 PM |
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wow indeed |
Jeremy - Broadcast in stunning 1080i 05/07/2004 @ 09:39:18 AM |
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I love the fact that his friends thought we were like the worst people ever for just discussing the case. Then numerous people come and say things about him that are 1000 times worse than anything we ever said and that ended the conversation. I know his friends check, quite often actually, but I guess saying basketball shouldn't come before the law is much worse than calling him an awful person, and calling his friends morons. |
Anon. Nut Can Fan (Guest) 05/12/2004 @ 08:11:32 PM |
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jerry jaba and anon if he says things like "I'd do anything to fuck her" and " you have nice dsl's" when did he say them and where? |
Jeremy - Super Chocolate Bear 05/12/2004 @ 08:30:08 PM |
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I've never used drugs, tried a cigarette, stolen anything, or assaulted anyone. |
Scott - Get Up! Get outta here! Gone! 05/13/2004 @ 02:03:40 PM |
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Neither have I, and most of my friends are clean too. "Everyone" does not do it. Those who do are forgiven, but you can't justify sin or wrongdoings by saying "everyone does it". ps I hate MACs |
Anon. Nut Can Fan (Guest) 05/14/2004 @ 01:44:45 PM |
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that is why I said almost everyone. hello!! |
Jeremy - Always thinking of, but never about, the children. 05/14/2004 @ 02:51:17 PM |
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Do you have any idea how stupid it sounds to claim that most people experiment with drug dealing? |
Scott - 6225 Posts 05/17/2004 @ 07:46:58 PM |
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it's empty rhetoric is what it is. |
Jeremy - 9579 Posts 05/29/2004 @ 08:29:20 PM |
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Good God. I don't know if your email address is actually your name, but if you are going to call out multiple people by their full name at least have the decency to put your name. p.s. Unless Waylon killed your mother I don't see how you can hate him so badly. |
Jeremy - 9579 Posts 06/20/2007 @ 08:44:57 AM |
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Wow look at that, 3 years later this story is alive and kicking. We kind of wanted to do a "Where is he now" post, but ultimately we couldn't find any information. Maybe this will start a brand new flame war. |
PackOne - It's a sin that somehow, light is changing to shadow. 06/20/2007 @ 09:41:35 AM |
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Wow. I read every single post on this topic. I also remember the incident and the coverage that followed. I don't wish to dive into the specifics or the personalities involved - but I have several statements. 1) Sexual offenders are trash. 2) I hope the victim has been able to recover and move on with life. 3) I have tried drugs and cigarettes. 4) Whoever used the phrase "douche bag" gets a 5 nutter. 5) I was happy to see no one played a race card. 6) I wish I knew of nutcan.com 3 years ago. 7) Freedom of speech - priceless. |
Jeremy - 1.21 Gigawatts!?!? 06/20/2007 @ 09:53:40 AM |
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The race card? I think everyone involved was a fellow Honky. |
PackOne - 1528 Posts 06/20/2007 @ 10:11:22 AM |
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I guess I shouldn't assume. I just know most honkies can't dunk. This topic must have gotten some serious hits though. Google it - up comes nutcan. |
Jeremy - 1.21 Gigawatts!?!? 06/20/2007 @ 11:12:42 AM |
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By our standards it was a hit machine. By other sites' standards it wouldn't have been a blip on the radar. |
Carlos44ec - 2079 Posts 06/20/2007 @ 01:35:09 PM |
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I still think: Aparently the English department of Hudson Schools is LACKING either in skill or attendence. This whole thing needs to go away. Of course we all have hearts and hope the innocent victims are ok and recovering. SOME of us think the guilty and abusive parties (not just "Waylon, but all of them) should have been punished for their crimes. If they have, and they are "mentally stable and can move on" they should do so. SO SHOULD THE REST OF US. Edit: douche bag... just for the 5 nuts |
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Carlos44ec perfected this at 06/20/2007 1:35:42 pm |
Jon - 3479 Posts 06/21/2007 @ 07:38:27 PM |
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Carlos44ec Wrote - 06/20/2007 @ 01:35:09 PM Aparently the English department of Hudson Schools is LACKING either in skill or attendence. Apparently, Memorial's is/was lacking a bit as well. Edit: This is Matt, not Jon. I forgot to sign Jon off and sign in under my name, and yes I see the humor in me making a mistake while in the process of correcting somebody else's. |
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Jon perfected this at 06/21/2007 7:43:00 pm |
Jeremy - 9579 Posts 06/23/2007 @ 01:48:03 AM |
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This thread being reopened inspired a new language filter, it's not perfect, but it'll do for now. (p.s. It's only for guests, signed in people will see swearing) |
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